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re: So It Begins. MADURO Turns on BIDEN. Release the Hounds.

Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:59 am to
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
14218 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:59 am to
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I could believe Biden was ok with unvetted illegal immigration of of Venezuelans. I don't believe that he wanted illegal immigrants from a particular gang. Thats a bit too on the nose


Anyone who believes Biden did this has been asleep for for a decade.

The Auto Pen yes, Biden No.

The same clowns who orchestrated the election fraud, Jan 6 fraud, as well as the attacks on Trump in his first term, IMO, are the clowns who did it.

Anyone who believes Biden had the cognitive ability to orchestrate such, is about as mentally deficient as Biden.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43082 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:01 am to
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False. I am the opposite of that and rag on boomers and neocons all the time. This country is shipping drugs and violent criminals into our country. They are hurting MY neighbors. They should be stopped. I dont care about a regime change. I dont care that they are communists. I fully support though a war against narco-terrorists that make the lives of Americans worse.


Whatever happened to the no new wars we were promised?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76603 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:05 am to
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False. I am the opposite of that and rag on boomers and neocons all the time. This country is shipping drugs and violent criminals into our country. They are hurting MY neighbors. They should be stopped. I dont care about a regime change. I dont care that they are communists. I fully support though a war against narco-terrorists that make the lives of Americans worse.
So are a vast number of other countries.

I mean, Mexico is numero uno in that regard, considering they are on our border.

And with their refusal/inability to rein in the cartels, they are a much greater threat.

Venezuela isn’t even close.

This isn’t about narco-terrorism. This is a roundabout way to push regime change.

Hell, China is probably the primary supplier of fentanyl. We do nothing to counter that.

I give as many shits about Venezuela as I do Ukraine.

Zero
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 9:09 am
Posted by JayDub
Member since May 2023
259 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:06 am to
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No one gives a frick about Venezuela except neocons and boomers...


Spoken like a true hollow headed, stooge!

Great way to tell us you're a " * Guy for Harris" with out telling us...
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
30641 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:08 am to
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No one gives a frick about Venezuela except neocons and boomers (which are probably the same group).


so the same way we feel about SNAP huh?
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43082 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:09 am to
Scruffy

Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43082 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:11 am to
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so the same way we feel about SNAP huh?


Nah were actually making movement on that by forcing blue states to show data to get funding. This is how real change happens.

But I know a lot of people have a hard time critically thinking on this board to have nuanced takes about right/Republican positions.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 9:12 am
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
18224 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:13 am to
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If I were Trump, I'd give him a call, spell it out, and get Maduro in a 'witness protection' situation asap awaiting testimony before Congress.


Words out the Witness Protection jet just took off from the Gerald R. Ford.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10471 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:15 am to
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Whatever happened to the no new wars we were promised?


I dont want new wars that have ZERO bearing on the interests of everyday Americans. A war that makes Americans safer and reduces the amount of drugs coming to this country IS acceptable to me
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43082 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:18 am to
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I dont want new wars that have ZERO bearing on the interests of everyday Americans. A war that makes Americans safer and reduces the amount of drugs coming to this country IS acceptable to me


Understandable, but as Scruffy eloquently put it, you can make this same argument for numerous countries that are much much closer to us. So again where is the line drawn?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46402 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:21 am to
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So are a vast number of other countries.

I mean, Mexico is numero uno in that regard, considering they are on our border.

And with their refusal/inability to rein in the cartels, they are a much greater threat.


Mexico is the number one source of Fent in the US. They get the raw materials from China, refine it, and smuggle the stuff into the US. But we have done a great job busting fent smugglers along the border. Even sleepy Joe's administration cracked down on Fent toward the end. The battles re being fought, you just dont hear about them in the media.

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Venezuela isn’t even close.
Venezuela is a huge problem since much of the drugs coming out of Colombia and Peru are being smuggled into Venezuela to avoid cooperating governments. The issue with Venezuela is they government pours gas on the fire rather than helps to put it out. But you are correct that they are far from the "biggest fire".

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This isn’t about narco-terrorism. This is a roundabout way to push regime change.


Its both. Simply put, if a known drug vessel gets caught in international waters, its getting popped. I dont care who they are. But yes, its clear regime change is top of mind.

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Hell, China is probably the primary supplier of fentanyl. We do nothing to counter that.
They are.

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I give as many shits about Venezuela as I do Ukraine.

Zero
Amen. I'm a little more concerned with Venezuela considering the claims being made about TdA and the Biden regime, but overall - I'm pretty apathetic on it.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76603 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:21 am to
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I dont want new wars that have ZERO bearing on the interests of everyday Americans. A war that makes Americans safer and reduces the amount of drugs coming to this country IS acceptable to me
Venezuela isn’t even in the top 5 of countries that smuggle drugs into the USA.

Mexico
China
India
Bolivia
Colombia

All more involved, with Mexico, China, and India being the primary fentanyl pipelines.

Why are we focused on a lesser country which isn’t in the same universe as those others when it comes to fentanyl?
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22864 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:23 am to
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I could believe Biden was ok with unvetted illegal immigration of of Venezuelans. I don't believe that he wanted illegal immigrants from a particular gang. Thats a bit too on the nose

Exactly. Biden, for everything that he is, would not have worked to import violent gang members. That's insane.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5684 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:23 am to
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No one gives a frick about Venezuela except neocons and boomers (which are probably the same group).


Spoken like a true retard.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
67649 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:24 am to
“Why”?
Because it’s a handy villain for Trump’s personal agenda…
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76603 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:25 am to
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Exactly. Biden, for everything that he is, would not have worked to import violent gang members. That's insane.
Biden, IMO, had zero to do with the last administration.

He wasn’t involved at all, beyond being a figurehead.

He likely couldn’t recall anything that happened or any “decisions” he made.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 9:26 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:26 am to
This is why MAGA can flip on a dime to support issues they once were against.

LINK

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Trump has become the Rorschach candidate: nondescript, vague rhetoric and empty platitudes. He speaks in such generalities that his flip-flops can seem almost trivial. He offers grandiose promises boiled down to simple concepts offered up with a hefty portion of adjectives: strong, great, big, huge, amazing.

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The vagueness and empty rhetoric that troubles many is actually appealing to a wide swath of Americans. Because Trump is a a vague ink blot of a candidate, voters are able to see whatever they want to see in him. He’s just defined enough on a few issues for voters to latch on to and the rest they simply fill in themselves.

This is precisely why he has such an ardent following. Voters are quite literally investing themselves and parts of their psyche into this man and making him into whatever they desire him to be. Once that kind of personal investment has been made, it is quite hard to break. Trump can and has come out with positions or policy suggestions that his supporters would normally not tolerate, and they swallow them whole. Just keep the speeches vague enough and everyone can get behind it. Don’t say “government healthcare,” say, “we’re going to take care of people” — there’s plenty of blank space for the voter to fill out the details however they would like.


I posted this article when it came out in 2016, and nothing has changed.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52597 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:28 am to
A guy Trump is threatening to depose, and maybe kill, is agreeing to say what Trump wants him to say? No one who doesn’t already believe this is going to be convinced by it.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46402 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:28 am to
Does that really even matter? It happened. And it can't happen again.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
10046 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:29 am to
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No one gives a frick about Venezuela except neocons and boomers (which are probably the same group).


I give a shite about Venezuela when they prove mass, illegal, treasonous activity on the part of the last administration, that also stole an election, tried to assassinate Trump twice, imprisoned political enemies, repeatedly declared conservatives and Trump supporters the enemy etc etc etc.

You can let that slide. I'm not.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 9:40 am
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