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re: So if I have Corona then have a heart attack and die..
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:17 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:17 pm to Antonio Moss
I'm fairly certain the biggest hang-up people have with her statement was the word "with." And I see the logic in OPs interpretation, assuming that word also meant something specific to Birx. I assume it did.
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:20 pm to LSU316
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Not the quote doesn't say dies "of" COVID-19 but "with" COVID-19....what don't you get they are cooking the numbers.
You are fricking dumb.
There is no other way to say it. I, along with other posters, just showed the whole statement in context against the backdrop of the actual CDC guidelines and actual doctors dealing with COVID have posted in this thread about the coding system.
And you go right back pulling one sentence out of context in order to support some ridiculous notion of a national conspiracy being implemented apparently by private citizen medical works for the purpose of . . . some unstated goal that no one can put their finger on.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:20 pm to Antonio Moss
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She is very clearly saying that some countries are recording deaths CAUSED by coronavirus that exacerbated an underlying condition as a death caused by the underlying conditioned and not COVID.
The health system in this country does this every single day for other illnesses/causes of death....so why is it so different for COVID.....take a guess?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:20 pm to LSU316
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“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx.
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Also how am I to gather that if a person with COVID dies in a car crash they aren't counting that to COVID....that is essentially exactly what the above quote says.
When she made that comment, I think she assumed everyone in the press room possessed the intelligence to discern she wasn't referring to car wrecks
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:22 pm to LSU316
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The health system in this country does this every single day for other illnesses/causes of death....so why is it so different for COVID.....take a guess?
No, they don't. You are just making shite up.
If someone last year had COPD, got the flu and died because of ARDS, it got recorded as a death by the flu.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:23 pm to ClampClampington
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When she made that comment, I think she assumed everyone in the press room possessed the intelligence to discern she wasn't referring to car wrecks
She probably also assumed the specific scenario she mentioned just prior to the comment wouldn’t be excluded from the context.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:23 pm to Antonio Moss
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You are fricking dumb.
This has really brought out the idiots.
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pulling one sentence out of context
There is only one context....the bottom line is if you go to the hospital in the US with COVID but die of diabetic ketoacidosis...your COD today is COVID.....with anything other than COVID that would not be the case. For instance if you went to the hospital with food poisoning and died 3 days later of diabetic ketoacidosis....your COD is diabetic ketoacidosis. You can guess the reason it is different for COVID.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:25 pm to LSU316
I make a motion we rename the thread “People who haven’t read an H&P discuss coding practices.”
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:25 pm to Antonio Moss
I personally feel she word smithed her way out of it a bit, but other than the nervous glances to her right to someone off camera, I have no evidence of that.
You are saying that her statement is "If Covid-19 caused the death, we are listing it as a Covid-19 death."
Maybe she assumed that was the question, but I don't think anyone wanting an answer to the real heart of the question asked believes someone was asking if we are listing Covid-19 caused deaths to other issues, considering all the statistics coming out.
You are saying that her statement is "If Covid-19 caused the death, we are listing it as a Covid-19 death."
Maybe she assumed that was the question, but I don't think anyone wanting an answer to the real heart of the question asked believes someone was asking if we are listing Covid-19 caused deaths to other issues, considering all the statistics coming out.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:26 pm to Antonio Moss
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No, they don't. You are just making shite up.
Welp if you are this clueless there isn't much I can tell you. Continue on in your fantasy land.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:27 pm to Antonio Moss
Um yes it would be counted, Stfu
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:31 pm to GRTiger
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You are saying that her statement is "If Covid-19 caused the death, we are listing it as a Covid-19 death."
No, I'm saying her statement is "If COVID caused an exacerbation of a preexisting condition such that it causes death, then COVID is listed as the cause of death."
So if patient A has COPD, gets COVID, goes into respiratory distress and dies, COVID is listed as the cause.
If patient B has a COVID, goes out running, drops dead of a heart attack and there is no evidence that COVID caused stress to the heart (normal blood ox, etc.), then it is not listed as COVID.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:31 pm to MOT
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She probably also assumed the specific scenario she mentioned just prior to the comment wouldn’t be excluded from the context.
The scenario where she said if COVID complications put you in the ICU and you had heart failure, it would be marked a COVID death and not heart failure?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:33 pm to Antonio Moss
Ok good glad your looking at protocol.....let us know when your looking at a case where someone has the corona and not counted towards the corona count when they pass away.....don’t worry we will wait.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:33 pm to texag7
Did ya have the diabites too, that led to renal problems as well as CHF?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:34 pm to Antonio Moss
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If patient B has a COVID, goes out running, drops dead of a heart attack and there is no evidence that COVID caused stress to the heart (normal blood ox, etc.), then it is not listed as COVID.
...direct opposite of what she said. quote:
“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx.
So again I ask is she mis-informed or lying in your book?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:35 pm to Antonio Moss
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The U.S. is listing the cause of death as COVID when COVID causes death by exacerbating a underlying condition, unlike some European countries that are simply listing the underlying condition.
Is this done with pneumonia? Or the flu?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:36 pm to honeybadger07
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Ok good glad your looking at protocol.....let us know when your looking at a case where someone has the corona and not counted towards the corona count when they pass away.....don’t worry we will wait.
That was quick
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:36 pm to ClampClampington
Correct. I think we’re making the same point, which apparently is in the extreme minority.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:38 pm to LSU316
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direct opposite of what she said.
No, you just can't read.
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