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re: So if I have Corona then have a heart attack and die..
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:24 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:24 pm to GRTiger
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She seemed to take it as a question of whether COVID cases are being under reported, when I think it was about whether we were over reporting COVID deaths.
She probably took it that way because it is much more likely COVID deaths are being undercounted than overcounted.
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:30 pm to texag7
Yeah, Dr Birx kinda let the truth out when she said anyone who's tested positive for COVID19 and die are considered COVID19 deaths.......that's skewing the total deaths upwards by quite a bit. I'll go with my original mortality rate, when the pandemic passes......definitely below 3% and probably well below 1%
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:41 pm to longwayfromLA
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it is much more likely COVID deaths are being undercounted than overcounted.
How so? Are you saying we are simultaneously seeing a rise in COVID deaths with a huge drop in other deaths like pneumonia, flu, and heart disease, but they are still likely misapplying COVID deaths to those other causes?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:42 pm to texag7
Every death linked to CV-19 is called a CV-19 induced death. Correct. No matter the pre-existing condition.
And it’s fake news. Once a leading cause of death, Cardiovascular Disease & Dementia related deaths are virtually non-existent now. They are saying those deaths are now CV-19 deaths. There’s an agenda behind all this BS. Wake up America
And it’s fake news. Once a leading cause of death, Cardiovascular Disease & Dementia related deaths are virtually non-existent now. They are saying those deaths are now CV-19 deaths. There’s an agenda behind all this BS. Wake up America
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:46 pm to texag7
Do I believe some deaths are being falsely documented as COVID-19? Yes
However, from things I have read and understand is the virus can affect the heart.
However, from things I have read and understand is the virus can affect the heart.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:46 pm to texag7
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Dr. Birx says U.S. is taking a ‘liberal approach’ to recording COVID-19 deaths, NYC to begin counting ‘suspected’ COVID-19 deaths
LINK https://twitchy.com/
From Townhall
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During the White House Wuhan coronavirus task force briefing Tuesday evening, Dr. Deborah Birx said the United States has taken a "liberal approach" in the way doctors classify deaths from the virus.
“The intent is right now if someone dies with COVID-19, we're counting that as a COVID-19 death," Birx said. "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus caused you to go the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death."
LINK https://townhall.com/
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:46 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:But it's really not. The amount of error can be approximated by figuring the odds of someone dying of any random cause during the time that they also have covid. If we take 1 month as the time it takes covid to run its course, the odds of a random person dying of another cause during the same month they have covid is less than 0.1% on average.
Dr Birx kinda let the truth out when she said anyone who's tested positive for COVID19 and die are considered COVID19 deaths.......that's skewing the total deaths upwards by quite a bit.
quote:And btw I mostly agree with this. I'd put it right around 1% when it's all said and done.
I'll go with my original mortality rate, when the pandemic passes......definitely below 3% and probably well below 1%
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:47 pm to 2Yutes
Based on your logic my mother committed suicide because she starved herself to death....
No the dementia killed her ...she would have eaten...and swallowed water if not for dementia
See how this works.....covid is the root cause...
No the dementia killed her ...she would have eaten...and swallowed water if not for dementia
See how this works.....covid is the root cause...
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:50 pm to 2Yutes
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And it’s fake news. Once a leading cause of death, Cardiovascular Disease & Dementia related deaths are virtually non-existent now.
Where are you people getting these statistics? These take months to years to compile. They are not available immediately. Talk about fake news.
quote:You think you are not susceptible to propaganda and "agendas"? You have clearly fallen for lies here.
There’s an agenda behind all this BS. Wake up America
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:52 pm to 2Yutes
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Dementia related deaths are virtually non-existent now
Have not seen that..
But where do almost all late term dementia patients live? Are nursing homes getting hit adversely hard? Seems like there might be some sort of connection here.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:52 pm to ClampClampington
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Are nursing homes getting hit adversely hard?
Not sure if serious.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:55 pm to the808bass
Nursing home deaths make up 20% of the deaths in LA despite accounting for 3% of positive cases
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:56 pm to ClampClampington
Why did you initially pose it as a question?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:58 pm to Antonio Moss
Holy frick you just proved to all of us how extremely shitty your reading comprehension skills are....you must have missed it.....I stated “find someone WITH corona that dies and not counted to the corona death number”......please quote in this article where it states this man had this virus. Jesus Christ I honestly cannot believe how dumb you are in this moment.
Oh and I’ll leave this here for you to watch from a US senator who is also a physician that received a document on how to categorize deaths....but you stay on your high horse defending Birx and the death count as being 99.9% accurate or whatever bullshite number you stated in a different post I saw
Your so smart!
Oh and I’ll leave this here for you to watch from a US senator who is also a physician that received a document on how to categorize deaths....but you stay on your high horse defending Birx and the death count as being 99.9% accurate or whatever bullshite number you stated in a different post I saw
Your so smart!
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:58 pm to Korkstand
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quote: Dr Birx kinda let the truth out when she said anyone who's tested positive for COVID19 and die are considered COVID19 deaths.......that's skewing the total deaths upwards by quite a bit.
But it's really not. The amount of error can be approximated by figuring the odds of someone dying of any random cause during the time that they also have covid. If we take 1 month as the time it takes covid to run its course, the odds of a random person dying of another cause during the same month they have covid is less than 0.1% on average.
We'll probably never know with any certainty how many people were categorized as COVID19 deaths who were destined to die in a short time from another disease. If someone who was admitted to the ER with a stroke but coincidentally had COVID19 and dies the virus didn't kill them, if someone enters the ER from a horrific car accident and coincidentally has COVID19 and dies, that person didn't die from COVID19.
Here's something else a lot of "experts" fail to mention. How may people who are being denied wellness checks and voluntary life screening procedures such colonoscopies, mammograms, etc. end up later being diagnosed with some disease and the doctor tells them if we could have caught this 3-4 months ago your chances of survival would have been very favorable? Almost all of those elective procedures are not being done right now, I know from personal experience. I'm supposed to contact my doctor to reschedule my health screening procedure after the pandemic wanes.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:27 pm to Antonio Moss
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Not necessarily
In lieu of a pending test, ALL deaths are classified as Covid -- per national task force. They even bragged that they now have a brand new code just for that
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:30 pm to texag7
Covid 19 is deadly. Why can’t some people just accept it on this board. I know two people personally who died from Corona never met anyone that died from the flu. Never seen the hospitals in chaos the way they have been since this disease came about. It’s real people
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:31 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:Are you now suggesting that we should record death statistics based on what people would or should have died from had they not died from something else sooner?
We'll probably never know with any certainty how many people were categorized as COVID19 deaths who were destined to die in a short time from another disease.
quote:It also seems highly unlikely that these deaths would be recorded as covid19 deaths. You guys are reading way too much into this Birx statement, and you are also making sweeping assumptions about the actions of thousands of health care workers. And on top of all that, even taking all these conspiracy assumptions as fact and 100% compliance with the "marching orders", the numbers simply don't add up to any significant difference.
If someone who was admitted to the ER with a stroke but coincidentally had COVID19 and dies the virus didn't kill them, if someone enters the ER from a horrific car accident and coincidentally has COVID19 and dies, that person didn't die from COVID19.
quote:If there is any indication whatsoever that the checks and screenings could be urgent, I highly doubt that they would be denied. Hell, I'm not even 40 yet and in good health, and I have a cholesterol checkup scheduled for next week in BR that isn't being canceled.
Here's something else a lot of "experts" fail to mention. How may people who are being denied wellness checks and voluntary life screening procedures such colonoscopies, mammograms, etc. end up later being diagnosed with some disease and the doctor tells them if we could have caught this 3-4 months ago your chances of survival would have been very favorable?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:37 pm to Groundscrew85
quote:They can't accept it because their preferred "news" outlets are pushing the whole thing as a conspiracy/hoax as part of a nefarious political agenda.
Covid 19 is deadly. Why can’t some people just accept it on this board. I know two people personally who died from Corona never met anyone that died from the flu. Never seen the hospitals in chaos the way they have been since this disease came about. It’s real people
There are posters here who are literally driving around to their local hospitals accosting health care workers because there is not a crowd of people going inside.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:39 pm to honeybadger07
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Your so smart!
It never fails
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