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re: So if I have Corona then have a heart attack and die..
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:40 pm to LSU316
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:40 pm to LSU316
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The health system in this country does this every single day for other illnesses/causes of death....so why is it so different for COVID.....take a guess?
Clearly, 100s of private doctors across the country are conspiring with global elites to inflate COVID numbers so that the U.S. government will collapse and the elites can usher in a New World Order.
And Dr. Brix admitted it on live television.
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem
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She is very clearly saying that some countries are recording deaths CAUSED by coronavirus that exacerbated an underlying condition as a death caused by the underlying conditioned and not COVID.
Causing you to go to the ICU, as Birx used it, and causing you to die, as you used it, are different. "Caused" does means something, and so do prepositions.
Fortunately for everyone, Birx clarified her thought by saying:
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The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death
That's very specific, exclusive of preexisting conditions, exacerbated or not, and has no meaning other than if you die and are positive for Covid-19 then that is recorded in the Covid-19 death count.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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No, you just can't read.
....yet you post an article on a guy that died of multiple GSWs to prove that a person with COVID can have a different COD....BUT the guy didn't even have COVID. What a dumbass.Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:41 pm to Golfer
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Golfer
I keep hearing this rumor.
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They're still counting the 17 year old in Orleans that died of Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy but tested positive for COVID-19 during autopsy.
According to the LA DOH 0 deaths under the age of 29 are being attributed to Covid-19.
LA DOH
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:42 pm to texag7
The bodycount numbers they are giving are fake. This virus is a hoax.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:43 pm to LSU316
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So again I ask is she mis-informed or lying in your book?
Neither. She made that statement as a follow up to her example of patients that COVID forces into the ICU that have pre-existing conditions. Look at the full quote, not one sentence. I'll make it easy. 1:39
Youtube
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:44 pm to Antonio Moss
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conspiring with global elites
probably not....but you never let a good crisis go to waste right. Also a high ranking Dem congressman said not so many weeks ago that they could use this situation to shape the country to their liking (that's a paraphrase but that was the gist of it).
So yea I think it is fairly damn believable that somebody is cooking the books.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:46 pm to ClampClampington
OK so the very first thing you hear there is we have taken a very "liberal" approach to mortality ...not off to the best start for your argument.
And clear as day about 30-45 seconds later..."Anyone that dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."....I mean she freaking said it. You goofballs could put as much word play on it as you want....you can wordsmith it more than William Shakspeare, but normal Americans know what the hell she said.
...not off to the best start for your argument. And clear as day about 30-45 seconds later..."Anyone that dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."....I mean she freaking said it. You goofballs could put as much word play on it as you want....you can wordsmith it more than William Shakspeare, but normal Americans know what the hell she said.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:46 pm to La Place Mike
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According to the LA DOH 0 deaths under the age of 29 are being attributed to Covid-19.
One of us is not reading it right. I'm seeing 1 death <18 and 4 deaths 18-29.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:47 pm to Antonio Moss
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Not necessarily
You were saying?
https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/status/1247680994821509121
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:47 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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Why do people care?
Because their has been an effort by bad actors to overplay this and instill sheer panic for many nefarious reasons.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:48 pm to LSU316
Yes, compared to European countries
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:48 pm to Antonio Moss
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If patient B has a COVID, goes out running, drops dead of a heart attack and there is no evidence that COVID caused stress to the heart (normal blood ox, etc.), then it is not listed as COVID.
Are you sure? The argument is COVID causes stress on the heart, isn't it? How easy is it to determine if it was the jog or the COVID that caused the heart attack? My assumption, based on her statement, is if that person dies with COVID, it's counted as a COVID death, assuming person B did have an underlying heart issue.
I understand my assumption could be wrong, because I don't know the science or procedures behind how they would determine true cause of death in that case. Maybe it's easier than I think. Either way, she certainly didn't make anything clear with her final statement addressing the question.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:48 pm to Korkstand
quote:this should be a sticky
And I know this might be difficult for you, but just try to understand the numbers here. Let's count not only heart attack, but all heart disease related deaths in the US, which is about 650,000 per year. And this is a ridiculous assumption, but let's assume that ALL people with heart disease contract corona, and let's also compact their possible death dates to only a 10 year span of their lives. The odds of these people dying of heart disease in a given month is 1/120 on average, correct? If a typical case of covid lasts a month, then 1/120 is also the odds that they happen to die of heart disease while they also happen to have covid.
These possibly misattributed deaths make less than 1% error in the covid death rates, in the absolute worst case!
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:49 pm to LSU316
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probably not....but you never let a good crisis go to waste right. Also a high ranking Dem congressman said not so many weeks ago that they could use this situation to shape the country to their liking (that's a paraphrase but that was the gist of it).
Got it.
So the CDC, which is under the control of a Republican President, and Dr. Brix, who is under the control of a Republican president are ordering independent physicians and locally elected coroners of various political parties to lie on death certificates to artifically inflate COVID deaths to push forward democratic initiatives.
Definitely makes more sense.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:54 pm to ClampClampington
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Look at the full quote, not one sentence. I'll make it easy. 1:39
The follow-up question and answer makes me think more that she either misunderstood the question or deliberately avoided it.
She seemed to take it as a question of whether COVID cases are being under reported, when I think it was about whether we were over reporting COVID deaths.
Maybe I am the one misunderstanding the question.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:59 pm to oogabooga68
quote:More feelings eh?
Because their has been an effort by bad actors to overplay this and instill sheer panic for many nefarious reasons.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:03 pm to Korkstand
“Bad actors” is the new “They” as in “That’s just what They *want* you think, man!”
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:20 pm to Antonio Moss
TexasAG7 wrote...
Antonio Moss responded...
CDC Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19)
Given how this outbreak has been so drastically politicized because of the immense amount of federal funding available, "Not necessarily" is a laughable and naive response.
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...I statistically died from the ‘Rona?
Antonio Moss responded...
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Not necessarily
CDC Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19)
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An accurate count of the number of deaths due to COVID–19 infection, which depends in part on proper death certification, is critical to ongoing public health surveillance and response. When a death is due to COVID–19, it is likely the UCOD and thus, it should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I of the death certificate. Ideally, testing for COVID–19 should be conducted, but it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate without this confirmation if the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty.
Given how this outbreak has been so drastically politicized because of the immense amount of federal funding available, "Not necessarily" is a laughable and naive response.
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