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So does Hyper-Inflation just fall out the sky?

Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:59 am
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22233 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:59 am
How much of the inflation rate can you pin on whoever is currently in the White House (D or R). If it's good, they take immediate credit for it. If it's bad, they blame it on the previous administration.

The left seems to cite high gas prices as the primary reason for record-high inflation and makes no correlation between gas prices and Biden policy. Is this a valid argument?







This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 9:03 am
Posted by GetBackToWork
Member since Dec 2007
6249 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:05 am to
Inflation in the US over the past 60 years has been chiefly caused by A) profligate government spending and B) energy shocks.

This administration has deliberately caused both by pursuing demand side economics (long considered a no-no until the new progressive wave of thinking) and intentionally roiling energy markets in pursuit of climate change policies. They had no energy transition plan other than, "let's gut fossil fuels". As a result, we have runaway energy costs.

Making this worse, we have a constrained supply chain due to the shut downs. You couple demand side economics with reduced supply, along with an energy market shock, good luck. Prices rise incredibly quick.

Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
52995 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:06 am to
I hate Biden, but we were finished when that COVID relief was approved. Build Back Better would have been gas on the fire.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
12138 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:16 am to
Inflation didn’t fall out of the sky. This board was screaming inflation when they passed out checks to 90% of Americans.

This board also knows the reasons behind inflation and how to fix it.

Reasons behind inflation:
1. Government Printing and spending money.
2. Government reducing the availability of oil drilling causing fuel and energy prices to skyrocket.
3. People not working causing the price of labor to skyrocket. Caused by the government giving people free money and benefits.
4. Product shortages caused by people not working caused by the government giving free handouts and money.

How to fix it.
1. No more money for the unemployed. No more benefits for the unemployed. You don’t work you don’t eat or sleep indoors or have electricity or internet. This solves causes 3 and 4 and costs nothing.

2. Drill Baby Drill.

3. Return government spending to 2018 levels.

It doesn’t take a genius to fix this. Just someone who wants it fixed.

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118636 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:18 am to
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bird35


Nailed it.
Posted by TexanTiger68
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2021
4339 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:19 am to
It all started when Trump was in office. Not saying it's his fault anymore than Joe's or the other way around.
Posted by RobertFootball
SC
Member since Mar 2021
1337 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:21 am to
Uhhhh no. We had high gas prices under Obozo his entire term. Trump gets in and they magically drop. The economy was stagnant under Obama but takes off under Trump and is now falling again under Biden? Not a coincidence.
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
19347 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:21 am to
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all started when Trump was in office. Not saying it's his fault anymore than Joe's or the other way around.


Trump shares some culpability, yes. An injection of money like he made happen will cause short term inflation. The problem is that Joe’s admin’s policy decisions perpetuated and turbocharged it.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118636 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:22 am to
quote:

It all started when Trump was in office. Not saying it's his fault anymore than Joe's or the other way around.




You are not wrong but the current administration's fiscal policies along with congress are not helping.

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118636 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:29 am to
quote:

Uhhhh no. We had high gas prices under Obozo his entire term. Trump gets in and they magically drop. The economy was stagnant under Obama but takes off under Trump and is now falling again under Biden? Not a coincidence.



Energy prices are significantly impacted by executive branch regulatory and fiscal policy.

Trump's goal was to increase supply of energy. He achieved that and was able to stave off inflation.

Biden's goal is to decrease supply of O&G forms of energy to increase the supply of renewables. Because of the barriers put up by this administration to O&G, renewables can't grow fast enough to replace the energy demand left by removed O&G. So, O&G prices increase.

The problem for renewables is they are physically incapable of competing with O&G without government intervention. Renewables just don't have have the same energy density as O&G.
Posted by UAinSOUTHAL
Mobile,AL
Member since Dec 2012
4826 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:32 am to
The main reason for the sky high prices on everything is shipping costs. A container that cost $3k 18 months ago now cost $20-25K those increased costs are being passed on to the consumer.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118636 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:33 am to
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The main reason for the sky high prices on everything is shipping costs. A container that cost $3k 18 months ago now cost $20-25K those increased costs are being passed on to the consumer.


Keep digging. Why are shipping costs high?
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51461 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:10 am to
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makes no correlation between gas prices and Biden policy.


That's by design.

quote:

How much of the inflation rate can you pin on whoever is currently in the White House (D or R).


By looking at what it was prior to their becoming President and what legislation may have been in place to put it at that point, then compare that to the new legislation they pass/repeal and the impact on inflation that has.

For a quick cheatsheet:
Energy touches everything, so anything causing a sharp and long-lasting increase in the price of energy will eventually increase prices.

The price of labor touches anything, so any legislation forcing an increase in the price of labor will eventually increase prices.

The value of the USD is based largely on the desirability of the US federal debt and the total amount of cash in our system. Continued low interest rates and forcefully injecting cash into the system via QE will eventually increase prices by decreasing the Dollar's value.

Any legislation impacting these things will impact general prices.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
4925 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:14 am to
2008: 10.699T debt
2022: 30T debt

Under which admin did this happen? All three are responsible for inflation today, based on their respective contributions

That was easy
Posted by SlickRickerz
Member since Oct 2018
2290 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:21 pm to
This is why unions and big corporations all campaigned for Joe. They all new they could take advantage of him and raise prices instantly without any repercussions. Inflation is at 8% but something I bought in May of 2020 is now increased by ofer 25%, because they can, no one will stop them. It’s the largest organized scam and will be taught in school many years from now. Corporations colluded with each other to get this potato in office so they can recover their losses from COVID. Businesses aren’t just going to lose 2 years worth of profits and take it lightly. They are making this years profit and the last 2 years all at once. It’s why a $100 item in 2020 is now $175 in 2022.
This post was edited on 6/12/22 at 2:12 pm
Posted by UGA fan n NC
Member since Nov 2020
665 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:50 pm to

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Build Back Better would have been gas on the fire.

A few weeks back I saw an interview of Frederick Smith, founder of FedEX, on Fox Business. He said if Build Back Better had passed we would be looking at the inflation rate being around 25%. This admistration is a catastrophic mess. I shudder when thinking we have 2 1/2 more years with either Joe or Kamala as our President.
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