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re: So are we jumping into 2003-era anti-Islamicist rhetoric?
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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rhetoric
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Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:24 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Correct, OP is pointing out a potential pivot now for the MIC to continue with some form of MICing.
Well and it's turning a lot of professed non-interventionists who have been melting for a couple of years into interventionists...
Note: this population also supported the Iraq invasion and Patriot act en masse, who then claimed that was a mistake, but now....
This post was edited on 4/13/24 at 9:25 am
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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But this has all been true for decades. It's just now coming back as a hot topic, and many people who have been arguing for non-intervention are starting up the intervention talking points.
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No, but, on the same token, Iran didn't just start giving Houthis missiles recently.
Every unresolved problem comes back up eventually, especially when those problems start getting worse. The Houthis, for example, have generally targeted the Yemen or Saudi government (meaning they have been a more "local" problem). Now they are targeting random oil tankers regardless of what country's flag it flies.
Along with that, the massacre Hamas committed on October 7th of last year revealed/underscored to many how Iran has been funding, arming and urging them (and other groups, like the Houthis) to be proxy guerilla terrorists. Everyone has been contented to look the other way for decades, but October 7th pushed Israel to take the strongest actions against attack that it has taken in a long, long time. That response has then keyed off other Iranian proxies to begin "punching up".
This all goes to the point that you can't simply ignore Islamic fundamentalism in the hopes that it becomes less violent, at least with today's level of worldwide connectivity.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:39 am to Bard
*Note: I'm purposefully changing your quote below. It's not a "gotcha" to hide the ball.
How well would this comment sell on this board a month ago?
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This all goes to the point that you can't simply ignore Russian aggression in the hopes that it becomes less violent, at least with today's level of worldwide connectivity.
How well would this comment sell on this board a month ago?
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
It’s abundantly clear now that the MAGA type’s only issue with W Bush is that he was mean to Trump. They have no issue with his policies or the rhetoric behind his awful foreign policy.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well and it's turning a lot of professed non-interventionists who have been melting for a couple of years into interventionists...
Who is this referencing?
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
The Muslim hate really started with the Iran Hostage Crisis under Carter.
I saw one Arab student on the U.S.L. campus with a t-shirt saying 'I'm from Lebanon' because he didn't want to get attacked.
I saw one Arab student on the U.S.L. campus with a t-shirt saying 'I'm from Lebanon' because he didn't want to get attacked.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:43 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Who is this referencing?
People who melted over anything related to Ukraine other than submission to Russia, basically, who are now on the verge of promoting intervention against Iran.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Successful wars make people forget about domestic troubles. I think that’s straight from Machiavelli.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
I think I understood who you envisioned or imagined.
I was wondering who specifically these people were - like actual examples.
I was wondering who specifically these people were - like actual examples.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:45 am to TheHarahanian
What do epic failures in the war game do to domestic troubles though?
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:45 am to Damone
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It’s abundantly clear now that the MAGA type’s only issue with W Bush is that he was mean to Trump. They have no issue with his policies or the rhetoric behind his awful foreign policy.
I kind of touched on this earlier.
A lot of people who supported the Iraq invasion and Patriot Act in real time, who have been recently melting about FISA and Ukraine and claimed they were wrong in the past, are moving RIGHT back to 2003-era stances.
The Muslim terrorist/Islamicist playbook is undefeated
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:46 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I think I understood who you envisioned or imagined.
I was wondering who specifically these people were - like actual examples.
I will start assembling a list, but it will take time. I'll drop it one day
This anti-Islamicist rhetoric is just ramping up b/c it's only a day old.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:50 am to Turbeauxdog
Tell me more about the appeasement and how it would have stopped anything happening now. Are you saying?...
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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How well would this comment sell on this board a month ago?
That's a bit like comparing apples to oranges. As far as we know, there hasn't been even a hint of members of Congress (and possibly the current US President) laundering money through Iran. Yes, Obama and Biden have bewilderingly given Iran billions of dollars which encourages such an assumption, but we don't have the actual trail like we do with Ukraine (thanks, Hunter!).
See also: virology labs
See also also: CIA black sites
Along with all that, you're comparing a war (and views on that war) rooted more in geo-political defensive posturing to one rooted entirely in radical religious fundamentalism hellbent on exterminating anything they classify as "other".
This post was edited on 4/13/24 at 9:54 am
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yes, posting discussion topics on an outlets for discussions imply the OP is "upset".
You started a thread whining because the Iranian boogeyman has been recycled. That’s a pretty good indication that you’re upset about it.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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Note: this population also supported the Iraq invasion and Patriot act en masse, who then claimed that was a mistake, but now...
The Patriot Act was an unnecessary response to 9-11. Even then, I was against it.
I was for going into Afghanistan to get Osama, not staying there 20+ years. Get in, get the job done, get out. But with that fuqtard Colin "you break it, you bought it' Powell pushing for full country rebuilds of Iraq & Afghanistan, I was never in for any of that.
Funny how the Dems were all in on war with Iraq during Clinton's term, but wussed out, then were against it, AFTER Bush got us in there, and are now all gung ho with getting the US back in the global police force racket.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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A lot of people who supported the Iraq invasion and Patriot Act in real time, who have been recently melting about FISA and Ukraine and claimed they were wrong in the past, are moving RIGHT back to 2003-era stances.
In all fairness, high speed internet was just taking form around the time the Patriot Act was passed, and people mainly relied on the MSM for news.
I don’t think the Patriot Act would have the same favorability under our current climate
Posted on 4/13/24 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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MAGA media was part of the scheme.
MAGA media doesn't have the reach. It's an island that democRats have been sealed off from.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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People who melted over anything related to Ukraine other than submission to Russia, basically, who are now on the verge of promoting intervention against Iran.
Be more specific. Name the posters
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