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re: So according to Leftists and Liberaltarians , it's not OK to call someone groomer...
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:00 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:00 pm to AggieHank86
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Not at all. As just one example, cops who read to kids at a library in the ghetto are trying to get kids comfortable with LEOs ... to not see them as the enemy.
If cops were a profession with a ~40% suicidality rate, and really committing to the profession left you infertile and likely unable to have children....
Yea, I think we'd have issues with police officers speaking to groups of kids about how its perfectly ok to be police officers and people who are police officers live amazingly wonderful lives.
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:01 pm to AggieHank86
quote:100% false!
He and this girl had previously met in the school bathroom for voluntary sex and had met there THIS time for the same.
She changed her mind
There was never anal intercourse until the rape. In fact, IIRC previous episodes were only oral.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:03 pm to AggieHank86
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He and this girl had previously met in the school bathroom for voluntary sex and had met there THIS time for the same. She changed her mind, which she of course had every right to do.
Didn’t he arse rape her after she said no?
It sounds as though he didn’t change his mind.
Now remind everyone about his mother.
Then guess which party she is associated with.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:04 pm to SammyTiger
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You’re asking why we should care about that less than someone molesting kids?
Sure, because a child being sexually assaulted is worse than what you just said.
So your position is that the use of the term "groomer" diminishes the evil of actual grooming? So, like we've done to rape or to racism, etc.?
I'd note that I think grooming is a precursor to assault, no? So we're really talking about the act of prepping children for abuse, I think. And I think that's a closer call, as the motives aren't terribly important to me if the end result is kids suffering significant, life-threatening harm. And I think the libs of tik tok style "grooming" poses just such harm.
But, I think your semantic point is reasonable. I really haven't seen "grooming" used as prevalently here as in Europe, so I don't think your concern leads to a real risk of deflecting from the threat of abusers engaging in abuse, however.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:06 pm to SammyTiger
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Grooming is a process that predators use to make a child an easier victim for future sexual abuse.
If a person shows porn to a kid and the kid doesn’t have sex with them, that doesn’t mean the person wasn’t grooming them.
Grooming doesn’t even have to have the goal of the groomer being the future molester.
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Grooming is a process that predators use to make a child an easier victim for future sexual abuse. Usually, grooming starts with building a positive relationship with the child, family, and sometimes the community. The predator does this so that their victim lets down their guard.
Once a predator establishes a positive relationship, the goal of the grooming process becomes preparing the child for victimization. At this point, creating secrecy and beginning to push boundaries becomes the focus.
Some predators may look for jobs where they have easy access to children. Others look for families with unmet needs and offer friendship and support.
Stop me when we get to the parts that don’t apply.
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Typically, the grooming process is slow. Predators move through different stages of grooming to build trust, create secrecy, and push boundaries with the ultimate goal of victimizing the child. Predators keep using these same stages after abuse has occurred to rebuild the relationship and maintain control:
1. The first stage is to identify a vulnerable child. Some risk factors for vulnerability are poor relationships with parents, a chaotic home environment, few or no friends, or a history of abuse.
2. The next stage is to gain trust and access. This stage is where the child gets special attention and feels accepted and understood. This stage may also be where the perpetrator begins a friendship with the parents to gain easier access to the child.
3. The third stage is to isolate the child and create secrecy. The goal is to make the child feel like they can’t talk about the relationship with others. Asking the child to keep secrets is a way that perpetrators gain the child's compliance and further isolate the child from others.
4. The fourth stage is desensitization. Desensitization is the process of continuing to touch the child until the child becomes more and more used to it and does not react as much. The perpetrator may at first tickle the child or stroke their hair. Then, a perpetrator may move to more and more inappropriate touching. The perpetrator may also walk in on the child changing, expose themselves to the child, or use dirty jokes or pornography to desensitize the child.
5. The last stage is threats and bribes. These can occur at the beginning and end of the grooming process. Children may get gifts, money, or other privileges, like going to the movies. Sometimes, the perpetrator will threaten to hurt the child's family if they tell or make the child feel like it's their fault. This blame makes a child less likely to tell others.
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This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:06 pm to oogabooga68
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So according to Leftists and Liberaltarians , it's not OK to call someone groomer...
But it is just fine to call parents, looking for the best interest of their kids' education by showing up at school board meetings, domestic terrorists.
Mental illness gone to seed from the left!
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:07 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Maxwell groomed Epstein's girls for Epstein, not herself. The fact she was grooming girls doesn't make her a lesbian. Had she groomed kids w/o any personal interest in diddling them, it wouldn't make her a pedophile. It makes her a groomer.
You’re trying to call them pedophiles.
So, no. When I use the term groomer, I mean groomer.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:07 pm to oogabooga68
quote:So, wouldn’t it be safe to presume hey can only attack the person saying it, not refute the accusation.?
So according to Leftists and Liberaltarians , it's not OK to call someone groomer...
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:08 pm to SammyTiger
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You’re trying to call them pedophiles.
Some (many) are. Statistically, their is a MUCH higher incidence in “the community.”
Trannies are the pit bulls of the human social construct.
They will have their ardent defenders, but at the end of the day, those using data, logic, and common sense know what is up.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:10 pm to NC_Tigah
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Had she groomed kids w/o any personal interest in diddling them, it wouldn't make her a pedophile.
Iirc, didn’t she have sex with some of them.
If I’m remembering what I read correctly (and that info was true) then wouldn’t it be both?
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:11 pm to jimmy the leg
I should be surprised that this crowd readily applies wholesale opinions to an entire group (really, several groups) of people, based on the actions of smaller subsets.
But, I'm not surprised at all.
But, I'm not surprised at all.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:11 pm to jimmy the leg
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Didn’t he arse rape her after she said no?
He did. And force her to perform fellatio. Hank wants to make sure you know that she had agreed to have sex with the boy before.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I should be surprised that this crowd readily applies wholesale opinions to an entire group (really, several groups) of people, based on the actions of smaller subsets.
No one gives a frick.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I should be surprised that this crowd readily applies wholesale opinions to an entire group (really, several groups) of people, based on the actions of smaller subsets. But, I'm not surprised at all.
If I see group of guys that looked liked meth junkies walk into the gas station behind me, I’m going to have my head on a swivel.
I guess that means I hate all rural white folk according to your view.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
I should be surprised that this crowd readily applies wholesale opinions to an entire group (really, several groups) of people, based on the actions of smaller subsets.
But, I'm not surprised at all.
I agree, but this "not all" commentary is quite tiring because virtually no one today has that hardline of a stance.
Can you link me to your posts where you were telling other progressives that the LGBTQ community doesn't speak for everyone they pretend to represent? I'm curious if you're consistent with this line of reasoning.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:16 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:Yes and no. In grooming terms, getting them for herself was not the main goal.
If I’m remembering what I read correctly (and that info was true) then wouldn’t it be both?
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:16 pm to Azkiger
quote:LEOs have the highest suicide of any profession in this country.
If cops were a profession with a ~40% suicidality rate, ... I think we'd have issues with police officers speaking to groups of kids about how its perfectly ok to be police officers
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:17 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I should be surprised that this crowd readily applies wholesale opinions to an entire group (really, several groups) of people, based on the actions of smaller subsets.
But, I'm not surprised at all.
Oh look... a Lincoln Project donor chiming in on grooming.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:17 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:
meth junkies
quote:
rural white folk
Interesting equivalence. One that I certainly wouldn't have made.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:18 pm to jimmy the leg
To be clear, I don't want my kids to grow up thinking all purple haired they/thems are sexual predators who want to have sex with them
I do want them to grow up knowing that they're unwell and not normal
I do want them to grow up knowing that they're unwell and not normal
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