re: Since women have the sole right to decide whether to abort or deliver a baby

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Since the woman is an adult and the gatekeeper,

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Look. I get that the potential consequences are different for the two individuals, but if you pull your focus out a bit, you can see that there are plusses and minuses both ways.

As I used to tell my oldest daughter. "If you get pregnant in HS........even if it's to the most awesome guy ever.......YOU get to carry the baby.....try to raise etc while HE basically remains unaffected and finishes HS and goes on to college".

The whole thing isn't ONLY about abortion. Moreover, there's no real reason why a woman who would never choose an abortion should be penalized because some OTHER woman would.

Bottom line. I'm good with the man being financially responsible. What I am not good with is him just sending checks and having no say regarding the money.

If they're going to be jointly responsible, then they need to be JOINTLY responsible. Not one person responsible and one person is a cashier's check.

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If they're going to be jointly responsible, then they need to be JOINTLY responsible. Not one person responsible and one person is a cashier's check.

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Agreed. If it's 50-50 before, it needs to be 50-50 during and after.

If a female wants to abort and the male doesn't and there are no extraordinary health risks associated with carrying the baby to term, the baby should be carried to term and the mother can then waive her rights if she so chooses.

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Since the woman is an adult and the gatekeeper,

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Look. I get that the potential consequences are different for the two individuals, but if you pull your focus out a bit, you can see that there are plusses and minuses both ways.

As I used to tell my oldest daughter. "If you get pregnant in HS........even if it's to the most awesome guy ever.......YOU get to carry the baby.....try to raise etc while HE basically remains unaffected and finishes HS and goes on to college".

The whole thing isn't ONLY about abortion. Moreover, there's no real reason why a woman who would never choose an abortion should be penalized because some OTHER woman would.

Bottom line. I'm good with the man being financially responsible. What I am not good with is him just sending checks and having no say regarding the money.

If they're going to be jointly responsible, then they need to be JOINTLY responsible. Not one person responsible and one person is a cashier's check.

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Until some form of male birth control pill is developed which would allow a man to make the decision whether and when he is going to be a father, a woman and a man should jointly agree whether to have a child that was conceived by both of them.

Since at present the woman solely decides whether to have a child that was conceived by both of them then the man should solely decide whether he is going to be financially responsible for raising the child that he doesn't want.

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Until some form of male birth control pill is developed which would allow a man to make the decision whether and when he is going to be a father, a woman and a man should jointly agree whether to have a child that was conceived by both of them.

Since at present the woman solely decides whether to have a child that was conceived by both of them then the man should solely decide whether he is going to be financially responsible for raising the child that he doesn't want.

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Honestly, this makes no sense to me.

Yeah. Sucks that you don't get to tell a woman to abort.

But, it's not some Earth shattering news that fricking a woman can cause pregnancy. You're signing up for the POSSIBILITY of incurring that responsibility the moment you stick it in.

That's why you shouldn't just frick random women you have zero trust in unless you're willing to incur that responsibility.

Just like a woman shouldn't frick a random man she has zero trust in because he may well turn out to be a dead beat.

Adults need to act like adults BEFORE fricking.

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Every time you fricked a woman you fricked her hoping to get her pregnant and having a child with that specific woman.

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Reading comprehension must be hard.
That's not even remotely what I said.
Everytime I fricked a woman and didn't want to get her pregnant. I was a fricking responsible adult and used birth control or a condom if that wasn't clear enough.

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As far as being responsible for birth control when you frick someone, a woman can tell you she took her birth control pill when she didn't.

She can also give you a condom with a pinhole in it for you to use without you knowing it has a hole in it.

She can also take the condom you bought and put a pinhole in it when you aren't watching.

Also, birth control pills and condoms are not a 100% certainty against stopping a pregnancy from happening.

Therefore, the only way you can be absolutely certain not to get a woman pregnant who you don't want to have a child with is to be a real fricking responsible adult and not frick a woman who you didn't want to have a child with.

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If your answer is no then why would you be so stupid to agree to letting the mother have sore responsibility to decide that you are going to be the father of her child and forcing you to be responsible for raising the child?

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I never agreed to letting the mother have sore or even sole responsibility to decide.

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You don't have any say in the matter.

Big Mother has made that decision for you.

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No no, let me get this straight. You should be responsible enough to not get yourself in this situation by wrapping your dick with a protective layer that prevents such situations.

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I'll say it again to be crystal clear.

A woman can tell you she took her birth control pill when she didn't.

She can also give you a condom with a pinhole in it for you to use without you knowing it has a hole in it.

She can also take the condom you bought and when you give it to her to put it on you, she can put a pinhole in it when you aren't watching.

Also, birth control pills and condoms are not a 100% certainty against stopping a pregnancy from happening.

So just wearing a condom is not enough to stop a woman from getting pregnant when she wants to get pregnant.

That's why I have been demanding that a male birth control pill should be developed so men can control if and when they become a father.

However, the feminazis are opposed to a male birth control pill because they know women will lose the power of deciding when they get pregnant and who the father will be.

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As far as being responsible for birth control when you frick someone, a woman can tell you she took her birth control pill when she didn't.

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Which is why you need to be more selective with who you frick and if you don't feel comfortable trusting her, wrap that shite up.

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She can also give you a condom with a pinhole in it for you to use without you knowing it has a hole in it.

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Which is why, if you are fricking a woman you don't trust, you probably should supply your own condoms.

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She can also take the condom you bought and put a pinhole in it when you aren't watching.

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See above

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Also, birth control pills and condoms are not a 100% certainty against stopping a pregnancy from happening.

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Yup. shite happens. Which is why you shouldn't be fricking women you wouldn't be comfortable with the idea that they might carry your baby.

I mean, I hate to be repetitive here but, people need to grow the frick up.

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Therefore, the only way you can be absolutely certain not to get a woman pregnant who you don't want to have a child with is to be a real fricking responsible adult and not frick a woman who you didn't want to have a child with.

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Want is too strong a word. But, I've taught my children.......and, I've live myself.......with the idea that if I'm fricking her, a kid is a possibility. If that idea terrifies me, we ain't fricking.

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but if I woman were to abort my child I would abort her

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Then Tiny will be aborting your a-hole during shower time.

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Until some form of male birth control pill is developed which would allow a man to make the decision whether and when he is going to be a father, a woman and a man should jointly agree whether to have a child that was conceived by both of them.

Since at present the woman solely decides whether to have a child that was conceived by both of them then the man should solely decide whether he is going to be financially responsible for raising the child that he doesn't want.

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Honestly, this makes no sense to me.

Yeah. Sucks that you don't get to tell a woman to abort.

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Before abortion became legal I don't remember women saying the pregnant woman was going to be the sole person responsible for deciding whether to have a child.

I remember women saying if abortion becomes legal then the man and the woman would make that decision together and if one of them didn't want to have the baby, they would both agree to have an abortion.

After abortions became legal, all of a sudden women decided the pregnant woman would solely decide whether to have the child or to have an abortion so yeah, what sucks is that a heterosexual man has no say whatsoever regarding when and if he becomes a father and who the mother of his child will be.

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As far as being responsible for birth control when you frick someone, a woman can tell you she took her birth control pill when she didn't.

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Which is why you need to be more selective with who you frick and if you don't feel comfortable trusting her, wrap that shite up.

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When a woman decides it's time for her to have a baby and she wants you to be the father then it doesn't matter to her that she knows you don't want to be a father.

You are going to be a father whether you want to be or not.

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She can also give you a condom with a pinhole in it for you to use without you knowing it has a hole in it.

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Which is why, if you are fricking a woman you don't trust, you probably should supply your own condoms.

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Even if you trust the woman, when she decides it's time for her to have a baby and she wants you to be the father then it doesn't matter to her that she knows you don't want to be a father.

You are going to be a father whether you want to be or not.

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She can also take the condom you bought and put a pinhole in it when you aren't watching.

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See above

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See above.

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Yup. shite happens. Which is why you shouldn't be fricking women you wouldn't be comfortable with the idea that they might carry your baby.

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I might be comfortable with the woman I am fricking being the mother of my child but I may not want to be a father yet.

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Therefore, the only way you can be absolutely certain not to get a woman pregnant who you don't want to have a child with is to be a real fricking responsible adult and not frick a woman who you didn't want to have a child with.

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Want is too strong a word. But, I've taught my children.......and, I've live myself.......with the idea that if I'm fricking her, a kid is a possibility. If that idea terrifies me, we ain't fricking.

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Every time a man who isn't sterile fricks a child bearing age woman who isn't sterile, they both run the risk of pregnancy but it's really about a man being able to choose when and if he going to be a father and who the mother of his child will be.

Are you opposed to a man being able to choose when and if he going to be a father and who the mother of his child will be?

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I remember women saying if abortion becomes legal then the man and the woman would make that decision together and if one of them didn't want to have the baby, they would both agree to have an abortion.

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Awesome.

Welcome to life.

You're sounding like a liberal upset that life isn't fair. Yes. Women and Men are different. The things connected with pregnancy are different.

Make better decisions.