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re: Since women have the sole right to decide whether to abort or deliver a baby
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:03 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:03 pm to ShortyRob
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Awesome. Welcome to life. You're sounding like a liberal upset that life isn't fair. Yes. Women and Men are different. The things connected with pregnancy are different. Make better decisions.
Doesn't matter the decision the man makes. That was the whole point of this thread.
Men have no legal say.
Men need some form of reproductive rights.
No say in the birth then thy should get say as to whether they have to pay.
The truth of the matter is that this whole argument is bullshite on both sides.
Women should not have the right to terminate a unique individuals life. IT isn't her body.
Men should also have to support the baby.
But if people aren't going to ban abortion then us fellas need reproductive rights.
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:07 pm to ShortyRob
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I remember women saying if abortion becomes legal then the man and the woman would make that decision together and if one of them didn't want to have the baby, they would both agree to have an abortion.
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Awesome.
Welcome to life.
You're sounding like a liberal upset that life isn't fair. Yes. Women and Men are different. The things connected with pregnancy are different.
In other words, woman will lie to men to get what they want from men.
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Make better decisions.
I made the best decision.
I didn't frick every woman I had the opportunity to frick.
BTW, I don't have any children.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:14 pm to FooManChoo
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Another problem largely solved by obeying God's moral law: don't have sex outside of the context of marriage.
Almost!
The woman can still decide to abort your baby without your consent even in marriage
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:31 pm to Loserman
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Another problem largely solved by obeying God's moral law: don't have sex outside of the context of marriage.
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Almost!
The woman can still decide to abort your baby without your consent even in marriage
And even if you are married but don't want a child yet, your wife can decide that you are going to be a father now anyway.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:45 pm to Loserman
quote:Perhaps if more people valued life as God does and obey His moral law, abortion would only exist in cases where the mother’s life is in danger.
Almost!
The woman can still decide to abort your baby without your consent even in marriage
I don’t agree that women should be alone in the decision. I also believe that neither should have the opportunity to make that decision.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:48 pm to Loserman
It sounds fair so democrats will never go it . I bet the same nut job women who protest for pro choice would want someone to go to jail for killing their unborn baby .
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:51 pm to SidewalkDawg
And make sure you stay away from DNA on-line tests. They'll hunt you down for the money.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:58 pm to Loserman
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Men should not be held financially responsible to support the child.
In most cases unmarried men aren't responsible until the child is born.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:00 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:I mean....not for nothing.......but men lie to get sex also.
In other words, woman will lie to men to get what they want from men.
quote:Well then. Sounds like you exercised responsibility.
I made the best decision.
I didn't frick every woman I had the opportunity to frick.
BTW, I don't have any children.
My stance remains the same.
For both men and women, we would ALL be a lot fricking better off if, when people are considering fricking each other, they looked at the other person and thought to themselves.............."Would I be OK with it if a baby came out of this deal?"
I don't mean, do you WANT one. Just, would you be OK with this person being the mother(or father) of your child?
If the answer is no, then either don't do it or exercise EXTREME caution.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:02 pm to DawgfaninCa
I can't believe we've gone this far in the thread without recognize one of the REAL abominations regarding child support.
Namely.........that in many states, NOT being the biological father won't necessarily get you out of paying child support.
Married to woman..........she has baby........you father it for a year and then discover it's not yours?
Yup. In many states, you're STILL gonna pay the child support. Hell, in Hawaii, you're still gonna pay it even if you can prove who the actual father is!!!
Namely.........that in many states, NOT being the biological father won't necessarily get you out of paying child support.
Married to woman..........she has baby........you father it for a year and then discover it's not yours?
Yup. In many states, you're STILL gonna pay the child support. Hell, in Hawaii, you're still gonna pay it even if you can prove who the actual father is!!!
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:04 pm to Loserman
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Men should not be held financially responsible to support the child.
If she wants the kid and he doesn't, I agree because if he wants the kid and she doesn't, he's just shite out of luck.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:50 pm to ShortyRob
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I mean, I hate to be repetitive here but, people need to grow the frick up.
I think for the most part people in here agree with what you've said over and over. BUT, since the beginning of human existance, humans have acted irresponsibly at every turn with all sorts of things. Including sex. It's human nature to get caught up in the moment and let the dice roll how they may. You have to have a backup plan. Most adults are adult enough to handle the results of irresponsible behavior. A lot aren't, and that is where you have to have protections in place. If men/women are protected classes, which we are, and everyone is supposed to have equal rights under law. Then we as men should have rights in the event of an unwanted pregnancy. A woman should have hold all of the cards. As it stands right now, they do. They can carry or abort. The man has no say so in the matter. If abortion is to remain legal, which it will, men should be given some rights in return.
1) we should have the ability to challenge it in court. Possibly stopping the mother. If the man wins, the mom must sign over all parental rights on the spot, and practically has an abortion. A legal one.
2) In the event that a man does not want the child, and the woman chooses life, he should have the ability, and right to sign away all parental rights on the spot, and have an abortion. A legal one.
If a guy doesn't want a child, he should not be forced to financially support one. Correct me if I am wrong, in some states, can't men sign away parental rights legally and not be forced to support the child?
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:07 pm to DawgfaninCa
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what sucks is that a heterosexual man has no say whatsoever regarding when and if he becomes a father and who the mother of his child will be.
Of course he does. As long as he is responsible and agrees to have a child with a woman he is married/living with.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:12 pm to Kracka
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I ask this because I know married men cannot get a vasectomy without the wife signing off on it
Uhhhh wut?
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:15 pm to FooManChoo
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Perhaps if more people valued life as God does and obey His moral law,
People have been immoral since the dawn of time. Neither Man nor God's law has done anything to change that. It's in our nature as free willed human organisms. That will never change. Some are just smarter than others, and do things differently that has better story endings.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:19 pm to Loserman
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Men need some form of reproductive rights.
No say in the birth then thy should get say as to whether they have to pay.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this movement took off. There are a lot of pissed off dad's who barely get to see their kids, yet shell out 30-50% of their paycheck for a kid they rarely get to see.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:20 pm to ShortyRob
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Married to woman..........she has baby........you father it for a year and then discover it's not yours?
Yup. In many states, you're STILL gonna pay the child support. Hell, in Hawaii, you're still gonna pay it even if you can prove who the actual father is!!!
I have never seen this happen to anyone I know. I know it happens a lot in certain trashy circles. I personally have never witnessed it. But just speaking from a fathers perspective, If I were married, and a child was born to us, that I believed from the jump was mine. I fathered the child, loved, cared for, spent time with. Like you would with any child born to you. I would have a VERY VERY VERY difficult time just tossing the child aside like an unwanted piece of trash, just because the mom is. Any "Man" who would do this, imo, is of questionable character. I can't imagine how hard it would be to be in that situation. I couldn't imagine the absolute grief I would feel if once of my boys turned out to not be mine. I would have a hard time just turning away from them. Especially after trying to suicide myself by alcohol.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:23 pm to idlewatcher
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Uhhhh wut?
Every single friend of mine who has had a vasectomy, the doctor who did the procedure had their wife approve it before it was done. None go to the same Dr. These were all married men. I don't know how this works for single men. I don't know how widespread this is amongst Urologists.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:24 pm to idlewatcher
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There are a lot of pissed off dad's who barely get to see their kids, yet shell out 30-50% of their paycheck for a kid they rarely get to see.
But how many of them would be willing to completely sign away any parental rights they have?
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:34 pm to Kracka
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There are a lot of pissed off dad's who barely get to see their kids, yet shell out 30-50% of their paycheck for a kid they rarely get to see.
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But how many of them would be willing to completely sign away any parental rights they have?
That's a horse of a different color.
There are many men who would be willing to completely sign away any parental rights they have when they don't want to be a father yet and the mother decided that the man was going to be the father of her child whether he likes it or not.
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