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re: Should we dissolve the Army and Marines since no one wants boots on the ground ever again?

Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:17 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:17 pm to
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No one is saying we shouldn't have a military and a military is definitely a necessity.


For what?

What are the legitimate uses for the US military?

Regardless of whether you may act like that's not a reasonable question in order to keep from having to answer it, it's not.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:17 pm to
Of course

But taken to it's logical conclusion the OP's "logic" doesn't really check out

It essentially states that any war no matter how foolish is immediately justifiable because of the fact that we have a military
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:18 pm to
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As someone replied in another thread, what would these same people have said if Biden had decided to do the same in Ukraine?


N/A. Trump has said multiple times that he'd end the Russia Ukraine war on day 1.

Something else must have gotten in the way.

Of course, Trump also said that Obama would end up invading Iran because he couldn't negotiate.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13480 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:18 pm to
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That might be a better comparison if the last time the fire department went to fight a fire, it took 20 years to put out and now 21 firefighters kill themselves every day because we're not taking care of them.


And yet, the people who joined the Fired Dept knew every bot of that when they signed up.

Again, this hasn't been different for longer than anyone here has been alive.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:19 pm to
Weird huh?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173715 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:20 pm to
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What are the legitimate uses for the US military?

To wage wars when necessary and defend your home turf

There are plenty of standing armies around the world that don't routinely get called into foolish wars
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
41547 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:20 pm to
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Because this is exactly the kind of operation we've engaged in for longer than I have been alive.


That's just it. Most of the people signing up for military service now weren't alive when GWOT started, so they don't really know the mountain of bullshite that led up to Iraq.

It's just history for them. For our boomer politicians, they're just another generation of pawns to sacrifice for another country's interest.
Posted by TigersWin88
Member since Mar 2022
475 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:20 pm to
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You don't get to join the fire department but then say, "Well, I'm only here to go on 1st responder calls. That's why I signed up. I think fighting fires unnecessarily endangers firefighters and I don't want to go on those calls." That's not how it works.


Imagine signing up for the fire department, but the government that directs your fire department decides to start 5 fires a night indefinitely in a city that is not your own. Then that governing department makes you go fight the fires night after night that they caused.

This is a more honest interpretation of the situation. Yes, fighting the fires and saving people is a good thing. It’s what you signed up for and they want to do it. But it would also be reasonable for the firefighter to have objections about what is going on.

This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 6:22 pm
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:21 pm to
Lol no
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173715 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:21 pm to
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Imagine signing up for the fire department, but the government that directs your fire department decides to start 5 fires a night indefinitely in a city that is not your own. Then that governing department makes you go fight the fires night after night that they caused.

This is a more honest interpretation of the situation. Yes, fighting the fires and saving people is a good thing. But it would also be reasonable for the firefighter to have objections about what is going on.


Yes. It's a much more accurate analogy of reality.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
26293 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:22 pm to
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Because this is exactly the kind of operation we've engaged in for longer than I have been alive. Nobody can claim it's out of character or surprising.

One of the fastest ways to get on my bad side at work is to unironically justify bad policy or processes by saying “That’s the way we’ve always done it.”
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89795 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:22 pm to
No one is going to back up their crying. They have one agenda and it's Anti Trump. Don't hit them with their own logic.



Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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90616 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:22 pm to
Really?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89795 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:24 pm to
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One of the fastest ways to get on my bad side at work is to unironically justify bad policy or processes by saying “That’s the way we’ve always done it.”


Yeah because new policy is never bad.


I'd rather stik to the natural gas I've been using my entire life versus going backwards to wind.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173715 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:24 pm to
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They have one agenda and it's Anti Trump.

You think it's only anti Trump people second guessing this war? Because one of the stated reasons many gave for voting for Trump was precisely to avoid new foreign wars.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13480 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:24 pm to
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It essentially states that any war no matter how foolish is immediately justifiable because of the fact that we have a military


That's not what I get out of it.

What I get out of it is that he's taking the, "When are you sending your kids?" nonsense to the extreme to expose the flaw in the logic.

If this war is stupid, then every war we've fought since WWII was stupid.

Given that during our isolationist period we had two world wars and nuclear weapons used (twice) and post-isolationism we've had zero of either, to me that is an asinine position to take. To me it's very obvious that asserting and maintaining American hegemony has been an obvious net positive for the world and us.

But even if someone disagrees with that, you still can't claim, "I just knew if I signed up for the military that they would only engage in conflicts I would approve of! Dammit!"

The trend has been what it has been since 1945.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90616 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:24 pm to
Powermullah you go girl burqa up!
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:25 pm to
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I did 4 years during Trump’s first term. You don’t have a clue about what you are talking about. Maybe 25% of the new enlistments sign up because they love the country. Most just do it as a guaranteed job because they come from somewhere where the prospects are minimal and college just isn’t for them. Some do it to have their college paid for after and all the other great benefits (VA loan, disability, HC, etc.). And then you probably have about 25% who come from the hood and just want to buy a charger or Camaro. And the saddest thing about the reality of our current situation is that the 25% who are the good ones and have family who served end up getting out because the enlisted leadership is mostly made up of those who stayed in for the wrong reasons. It’s really that bad.


Exactly. Those assuming that the current majority of the US military ground forces are in it to “defend the country” as their primary reason for service are naive.

This isn’t the era of WWII shortly after Pearl Harbor where those boys signing up were guaranteed to see combat in the Pacific or Western Europe.
This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 6:27 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13480 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:26 pm to
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One of the fastest ways to get on my bad side at work is to unironically justify bad policy or processes by saying “That’s the way we’ve always done it.”


That's great.

Since we're sharing, one of the surest ways you can signal you are a moron to me is by acting surprised when something happens that hasn't changed in 80 years.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173715 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:26 pm to
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That's not what I get out of it.

What wars would be fair game to criticize then?

Because according to OP we need to start wars just because we have the personnel to do it

Which is beyond insane
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