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re: Should we copy the Japanese school lunch program? (Yes, obviously we should)
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:47 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:47 pm to Wolfhound45
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Has everything to do with the topic at hand. Also the ethnicity as well. They are a homogenous society with deeply held shared values. Food is not going to solve that in the United States
So you're saying there is a 0 percent chance we can improve school nutrition? Sounds like the self defeatism here is the real issue.
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Our political leaders (Left and Right) want us divided.
And we'll still be divided whether or not school lunches improve
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Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:47 pm to Powerman
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Should we copy the Japanese school lunch program?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:47 pm to Friscodog
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There are many things that other countries do better than U.S. due to culture and demographics.
Well most of the people here are white.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:51 pm to Powerman
quote:The school lunch program is implemented at the state and local level. Individual schools and school districts manage the day-to-day operations, prepare the meals, and determine how to meet the federal nutritional standards within their specific circumstances. You'd propose that be federalized?
Well most of the people here are white.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:51 pm to Powerman
How are you 50+ and this naive
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:52 pm to Powerman
The America First crowd of which I am a happy warrior tends to let nativist sentiment interfere with common sense from time to time. It's that thing about Conservatives lacking "openness" which is somewhat true combined with digging in their heels on the catastrophic failure of the Democrat Party/Progressive ideas. Whereas as an artsy guy-I am always borrowing things I like from errywhere and I love the way the Japanese eat.
Plus, you are on "the PT list".
Plus, you are on "the PT list".
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:52 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:No, but the inability to agree on anything extends to the most basic elements of our society.
Apparently folks in this thread are under the impression local public schools are instead federalized.
Even in a deep red state, teachers are heavily progressive and the views of those in lower socioeconomic rungs differ from those in the higher which would likely result in challenges between public schools.
The USA’s population is heavily fractured and would be unable to agree on anything depending on who brought the idea up.
Republicans would oppose it if it was brought up by a Democrat, and vice versa.
Our society is too large, too stubborn, too selfish, and too stupid.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:54 pm to Scruffy
There are two separate concepts in the OP. One is just feeding kids at school healthy foods. The other is educating kids about nutrition and hoping they carry that knowledge into the home. The second part is a pipe dream.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:55 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I would propose that national nutritional standards be updated to what the Japanese nutritional standards are and not what corporations designed it to be.
The school lunch program is implemented at the state and local level. Individual schools and school districts manage the day-to-day operations, prepare the meals, and determine how to meet the federal nutritional standards within their specific circumstances. You'd propose that be federalized?
Then I would implement rules that would result in severe funding cuts if those nutritional standards are not met.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:56 pm to NIH
quote:Sure.
There are two separate concepts in the OP. One is just feeding kids at school healthy foods. The other is educating kids about nutrition and hoping they carry that knowledge into the home. The second part is a pipe dream.
The reason it works in Japan is because the nutritional standards are generally upheld at home as well.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:56 pm to Scruffy
Pretty much.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:57 pm to Scruffy
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It is at the top of my lists as places to live if I ever wanted to leave the USA.
After visiting, that country is amazing in nearly every way.
Agreed. They are a very conformist, rule following nation. There are more murders in Chicago than there are in the whole country of Japan.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:57 pm to Powerman
quote:Culture, not race, has significant importance in this thread. In traditional nuclear families, school lunch is neither a "main meal", nor does it have an iota to do with malnutrition, obesity, etc.. Ignoring that fact is silly. There should be little doubt that the traditional nuclear family drives school nutrition and goals in Japan, rather than the opposite.
Has precisely nothing to do with the topic at hand
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:59 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
One of the guys from Top Gear did a travel show in Japan. Worth the watch
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:00 pm to Scruffy
That’s why I commented on two parent households on page 1
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:03 pm to Powerman
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Well most of the people here are white.
Yeah, less than 60%.
Probably around 50% or less in 10-20 years. But yes, still a majority.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:04 pm to Powerman
Not sure if our kids will eat fish heads and rice.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:05 pm to Scruffy
quote:Fine.
I would propose that national nutritional standards be updated to what the Japanese nutritional standards are
U.S. standards specify calorie ranges that vary by grade level, from 550–650 calories for elementary students to 750–850 calories for high school students. Do Japanese standards specify explicit calorie ranges?
The U.S. system has limits on sodium and added sugars. Requirements starting in 2027, call for less than 10% of weekly calories coming from added sugars. Do Japanese standards include these restrictions?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:06 pm to Powerman
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Improving our school lunches doesn't require a homogeneous population
Until you run smack into the problem of this group won't eat pork and this other group won't eat beef, and that group has to have special fasting on certain days of the year, etc., etc., etc.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:07 pm to Powerman
quote:Yes.
So you're saying there is a 0 percent chance we can improve school nutrition?
quote:Realism is the issue.
Sounds like the self defeatism here is the real issue.
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