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re: Should sexual orientation be engineered in the womb?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:56 am to navy
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:56 am to navy
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But ... we were told that there was one ... and that scientists were looking for it and would find it ... and validate the gay.
No we weren't.
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Of course, now ... the story has changed.
No not really.
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:56 am to moneyg
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I don't see a single thing wrong with a parent, who if given an option to check a box on a form, who would choose the sexual orientation of his child.
That's not what we are debating here though. It's not a blank slate to start with. We are talking about being told you're child is gay and then the parent trying to change it.
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That would not be a major concern for me at all.
You don't care about the potential ramifications that would have on the relationship you have with your child?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:02 am to Mickey Goldmill
Back to the original question in the OP ... it sounds like liberals will then want a "caveat" to the general stance of "a woman can have an abortion at any time for any reason" stance such that ... "unless child will be gay" ... in which case, abortion will be ruled out and all of the sudden, poof!, life is precious and valuable, etc., etc.
I seem to recall during my wife's first pregnancy ... some doctor or nurse coming in there and wanted to do some test that would tell us if our child would have Down's ... and we told them it was not necessary ... i.e. no way in hell we'd even consider abortion.
I would not want to have that discussion regarding some "gay test" either.
I seem to recall during my wife's first pregnancy ... some doctor or nurse coming in there and wanted to do some test that would tell us if our child would have Down's ... and we told them it was not necessary ... i.e. no way in hell we'd even consider abortion.
I would not want to have that discussion regarding some "gay test" either.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:05 am to Mickey Goldmill
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That's not what we are debating here though. It's not a blank slate to start with. We are talking about being told you're child is gay and then the parent trying to change it.
I really don't see a difference.
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You don't care about the potential ramifications that would have on the relationship you have with your child?
You want that to be the case so bad. I'm telling you that, as a parent, that scenario wouldn't be a major concern. I feel like I would be able to handle that very easily, and it certainly wouldn't outweigh the positives of the choice.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:09 am to navy
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Back to the original question in the OP ... it sounds like liberals will then want a "caveat" to the general stance of "a woman can have an abortion at any time for any reason" stance such that ... "unless child will be gay" ... in which case, abortion will be ruled out and all of the sudden, poof!, life is precious and valuable, etc., etc.
1. That's not what most liberals think at all regarding abortion in the first place. Most don't think you can wait 8 months before having an abortion.
2. I'd have to guess, which is what you are doing as well here, that most liberals would think it is a bad choice to choose to abort your fetus for no other reason than because they are gay, but still feel that the woman has that right to do it.
You can disagree with something but still believe they have the right to do it.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:11 am to moneyg
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I really don't see a difference.
I just explained all the reasons its different. Let your child be who they are instead of trying to change them.
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I'm telling you that, as a parent, that scenario wouldn't be a major concern. I feel like I would be able to handle that very easily, and it certainly wouldn't outweigh the positives of the choice.
What are the positives with the choice exactly?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:17 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Let your child be who they are instead of trying to change them.
That sounds just like the "we must accept what God brings to us"
lingo taught in parochial schools.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:26 am to Mickey Goldmill
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1. That's not what most liberals think at all regarding abortion in the first place.
Really?
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You can disagree with something but still believe they have the right to do it.
See ... here's where I guess I am different then.
I hate American flag burners and flag burning.
But, I suppose, a person has a right to do it in this country.
The difference is ... I will not argue on that person's behalf.
I will simply hope they die in a fire.
If "most liberals" are not hardline on abortion ... then why do they argue so vehemently for it? Why not argue to make concessions for the pro-life crowd?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:26 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I just explained all the reasons its different. Let your child be who they are instead of trying to change them.
I'd want what's best for my child. Doing that in the womb, or in early age is no different, IMO. Doing it at an age that would be against his/her wishes would be wrong, IMO.
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What are the positives with the choice exactly?
That would be up to the parent. And, you'd get different opinions that range from no additional positives to a clear preference. There will be some who wouldn't want the challenging path for their child. There will be some who wouldn't want their child to never have the option of having a biological child. There are some who wouldn't want to burden their child with what they feel would be an immoral lifestyle, etc.
The actual reasons don't matter. It's self evident that if people are making the decision to alter sexual orientation...there would have to be some perceived value in doing so.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:30 am to moneyg
I understand your reasoning and I respect your opinion. I don't 100% agree with you, but I do totally understand where you're coming from. 
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:32 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I understand your reasoning and I respect your opinion. I don't 100% agree with you, but I do totally understand where you're coming from.
Well, I think that's because you've been beating around the bush of what you really want to argue...which is that it is wrong to have an opinion that homosexuality is less desirable than heterosexuality.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:39 am to moneyg
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Well, I think that's because you've been beating around the bush of what you really want to argue...which is that it is wrong to have an opinion that homosexuality is less desirable than heterosexuality.
I don't think having that opinion is wrong at all. I've actually stated already in this thread that it's quite understandable for a parent to worry about their gay child due to the potential extra obstacles they may face from society.
Desirability is relative and for some people they may have reasons for thinking that heterosexuality is better or more desirable than homosexuality.
Personally, I don't think one is better than the other at all. I don't think there is anything wrong at all with a person being gay. If you disagree, that's fine and that is your right. I don't think its wrong to have that opinion, though I would disagree with you.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 12:00 pm to constant cough
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But peoples physical traits also change over time. So if your attracted to a certain body style and say your woman gains weight are you still attracted to her?
Her physical appearance does not change in your brain. IE, if you marry a pretty girl when you are 25 and you stay married for 40 years and see her every day her appearance does not change to you.
This is why women need to be careful about divorcing in middle age. Your husband may have been attracted to you when you were 25 and when you are 35 he still sees you as a 25 year old.
But when you divorce and look for a new husband he does not see you as the 25 year old. He sees you as the 35 year old.
Of course, there are exceptions. Like if your wife puts on 50 pounds in a 3 year period. But facial changes are not seen by people who live together every day.
IRL example. My first wife was with me from age 20 to 40. At age 40 she looked exactly like she did at age 20 to me. Then we got divorced. I saw her 3 years later at a family wedding. At 43 I was shocked to see that she looked like an old hag.
This is why you see 80 year old married couples holding hands and looking lovingly at each other. They have never changed appearances in their mind's eye because they see each other every day.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:00 pm to Zach
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At 43 I was shocked to see that she looked like an old hag.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:50 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:When will the parents know the child is homosexual? Even you can't be so stupid as to think this is a practical solution.
Then if the first is gay, have another.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:02 pm to Poodlebrain
Nothing about this entire thread is practical.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:03 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Now THAT I disagree with.
Even given the tremendous risks it involves? Is it really worth it at that point? And what if the drugs end up not working and your gay son finds out one day what you tried to do?
Shitty parents.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:51 pm to mtntiger
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If a 'gay' gene is ever discovered, then the libs are going to twist themselves into knots once people begin aborting children they believe will turn out gay.
The people most likely to want to abort gay babies are pro-lifers....it will interesting watching those folks twist themselves into knots trying to justify their abortions.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:52 pm to cwill
quote:dude . . .
...it will interesting watching those folks twist themselves into knots trying to justify their abortions.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:52 pm to constant cough
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How are parents and society better off with gay kids that won't reproduce?
This familiar canard...gay people can and do reproduce.
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