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re: Sheriff's Associations storm Capital Hill demanding border security

Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:15 pm to
You can find stats that say whatever you want them to say. That is why you have to have the ability to reason things out... or just be a puppet. The later is the easier of the two... Then again, taking the easy route didn't get me to where I am today. Good luck to you.
Posted by mb_
Member since Dec 2018
748 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:21 pm to
Here are some simple numbers for you

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Illegal border crossings have been declining for nearly two decades. In 2017, border-crossing apprehensions were at their lowest point since 1971.


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Undetected illegal border crossings have dropped at an even faster rate, from 851,000 in 2006 to approximately 62,000 in 2016, according to estimates by the Department of Homeland Security.






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There are more than two dozen ports of entry along the southern border. Barriers are already present in Border Patrol sectors with the highest volumes of heroin seizures.


LINK

I am sure you will just attack the source rather than the information inside it. Imo focusing on the actual real problems and how to best address them seems like the best thing to me, but screaming crisis over and over is easier I guess
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157557 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:23 pm to
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Undetected illegal border crossings


Ummmm
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
Member since Sep 2014
13416 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:23 pm to
I can do this too

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Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen on Wednesday cited a large spike in border crossing numbers in March -- 200% over last year, including an 800% increase in unaccompanied children -- to justify the Trump administration's border security requests. Nielsen told the House Appropriations Committee that there has been an uptick in March of the number of people apprehended trying to cross the border illegally or stopped trying to enter the country through a legal port of entry. Calling it a "dangerous story," she cited a 200% increase over the previous year, including an 800% increase in the number of unaccompanied children and 680% in families. She also noted a 37% increase in drug seizures.
Posted by mb_
Member since Dec 2018
748 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:24 pm to
I agree about stats but tell me exactly what you have the ability to reason out of this that makes me a puppet? You're being told now to think this is a crisis even though all the evidence points to improvements along the southern border. That does not mean it can't be improved more either
Posted by mb_
Member since Dec 2018
748 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:29 pm to
I have already acknowledged the increase in families and asylum seekers. The majority of which are coming to legal ports of entry as well. That is one issue/area that should be focused on to figure out what resources will best assist the BP and other agencies in dealing with them
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9281 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:30 pm to
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If you could show me one post I have made advocating for people flowing into our borders that would be great. Just one will do. Not sure what that has to do with the OP but thanks for sharing


Never said you did.

You want to debate the use of the word "crisis". That is what our Dem leaders have made their new talking point.

Illegal immigration is a problem. A major problem. Yes, the tactic is now to show up and claim asylum. Let's be real, that is total BS. It is a hole in our immigration policy that is being exploited.

So what if numbers are down from years before? There are still far too many people coming here circumventing the spirit of our immigration laws.

Time to act with what has worked here and all over the world.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90361 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:30 pm to
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The majority of which are coming to legal ports of entry as well. That is one issue/area that should be focused on to figure out what resources will best assist the BP and other agencies in dealing with them
When that's accomplished I wonder where they will gain access?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:31 pm to
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So some sheriffs at capitol hill = border crisis? Sounds completely logical to me


Bless your heart.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
24204 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:32 pm to
FY2019 illegal crossings from DHS


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In FY18, a total of 396,579 individuals were apprehended between ports of entry on our Southwest Border.


So what determines a crisis? If 400K people being caught in a years time is not I would like to know what is the number that democrats and RINO's couldn't live with in DC?
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39565 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:33 pm to
Good start. OathKeepers sympathies, most likely. I.e., Patriots, who love their Freedom.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:34 pm to
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what part about the OP points to a crisis at the border, but I have a feeling that won't happen



In order to do that, you would have to define what situations and conditions would have to exist in order for you to agree there is a crisis. You can explain them, but I doubt that will happen.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52554 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:35 pm to
It's amazing how those dumbasses think they get to control the narrative on EVERYTHING.


Something isn't an issue unless I say it is.
Posted by mb_
Member since Dec 2018
748 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:36 pm to
No Donald Trump is the one who has been using this crisis talk as a catalyst for his campaign. All the wall semantics it literally all started with him. Not to mention the way he handled it when the GOP controlled everything in Washington.

Again that doesn't address the millions who overstay visas. Fixing our visa system is just as crucial if you truly want to fix the problem. So asylum seekers are the biggest issue at our southern border now, would you agree? If the asylum and visa programs are addressed and cleaned up then that will make it easier to target the drug and human trafficking, imo.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52554 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:39 pm to
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using this crisis



You've just spent three pages telling us there is no crisis. Make up your fricking mind.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157557 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:43 pm to
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Fixing our visa system is just as crucial if you truly want to fix the problem


The people fixing that won't be building the wall.

Do both.
Posted by mb_
Member since Dec 2018
748 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:43 pm to
Migrant workers have been going and coming in this country for decades. Their impact or detriment is always exaggerated depending on who you are listening to. I do not think the migrant workers are a crisis for this country and I think the negative impact to immediately removing them all at once would be worse than most here think. IF we did have people literally streaming across the border and they were raping and killing everyone and setting cities on fire that would certainly be a crisis or emergency. What we have is an issue we have been dealing with for decades and by all accounts has improved exponentially over the last few decades. I would argue that as our border got more secure after 9/11 that resulted in more people being "stuck" in the US and increase in daca/dreamers
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9281 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:44 pm to
I agree that asylum seekers(which I contend are not really that) are a major issue. The visa system is a major issue. But....Illegal immigration is just as much a part of the equation as the rest.

I contend a wall is needed to break the cycle. Along with new laws that do away with asylum seekers and the visa program reworked.

I believe Israel holds out 20%? of a guest workers pay that is only released when they leave the country. Sounds reasonable to me.

However, I do not think either side has the cajones to push that through.
Posted by mb_
Member since Dec 2018
748 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:45 pm to
his words, context clues bud. Guess I should have used ""
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52554 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:45 pm to
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IF we did have people literally streaming across the border and they were raping and killing everyone and setting cities on fire that would certainly be a crisis or emergency.



But, just a few rapes and murders are ok with you right? I bet you'd think differently if it were one of your family members that had been raped or murdered.
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