re: "Service economies aren't supposed to charge tariffs, only manufacturing economies should"

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Rich nations aim for higher-value production.

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This logic reminds me of a Shaq quote about his kids thinking they are rich because he is rich.

Again, you really should get out more.

Here’s a comparison of the **U.S. national debt growth** versus **GDP growth** from **1990 to 2024**, showing how much faster debt has risen than the overall economy.

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### **1. GDP Growth (1990–2024)**
- **1990 GDP:** ~$5.96 trillion (nominal)
- **2024 GDP:** ~$28.78 trillion (nominal, est.)
- **Total GDP Growth:** **+383%** (unadjusted for inflation)
- **Annualized GDP Growth Rate:** ~**4.3% per year** (nominal)

**Inflation-Adjusted (Real GDP):**
- **1990 GDP (2024 dollars):** ~$13.9 trillion
- **2024 GDP (real est.):** ~$28.78 trillion
- **Real GDP Growth:** **+107%** (about **2.2% per year**)

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### **2. National Debt Growth (1990–2024)**
- **1990 Debt:** ~$3.2 trillion
- **2024 Debt:** ~$34.6 trillion
- **Total Debt Growth:** **+981%** (10.8x higher)
- **Annualized Debt Growth Rate:** ~**7.5% per year**

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### **3. Debt-to-GDP Ratio (Key Measure of Sustainability)**
- **1990:** **~53%** (Debt = 53% of GDP)
- **2024:** **~123%** (Debt > GDP)
- **Change:** **+132% increase** in debt burden relative to economy

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### **Key Takeaways**
1. **Debt grew 2.5x faster than GDP** (981% vs. 383% nominally).
2. **Even adjusting for inflation**, debt grew **~4.5x faster** than real GDP.
3. **Debt-to-GDP more than doubled**, meaning the U.S. is far more leveraged today.
4. **Interest costs now eat ~3.5% of GDP** (vs. ~3.2% for defense spending).


*AI is super neat

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Why do you want to devolve our economy so that it's economically efficient to produce lower-level goods again?

You think that crashing of our GDP will help deal with that public debt, or something?

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They're fumbling around in the dark for answers and no one has them except for people they disagree with so intensely, breaking ranks for one second would crash their worldview

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The government spending...is why we are still affluent.

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No

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Take away all the welfare, government jobs, subsidized cheap loans, bailouts...in addition to the jobs we sent overseas and wed be poor as hell. I

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You're just making shite up, now.

We're the #2 manufacturing nation on earth and top 10 in per capita value of manufactured goods. The only reason we're not #1 in total output is China has 3x the population as us and has focused on manufacturing for 30 years.

We're the world's leading producer in tech, medical research, culture, entertainment, etc.

You're just making shite up to make your point, at this point.

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They're fumbling around in the dark for answers and no one has them except for people they disagree with so intensely, breaking ranks for one second would crash their worldview

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Its funny how Trump, and all world leaders across the globe are fools for using tariffs...but the select few geniuses on the internet know that tariffs are dumb because...reasons

Culture?

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Im the only one that has brought stats to
this debate

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Bringing irrelevant numbers means nothing.

This guy gets it, you can’t just be a service oriented economy without producing tangible products and resources because eventually those services and technologies are copied or stolen. You have to exploit the resources that we have that others do not possess otherwise you have no leverage which id exactly the situation we currently find ourselves.