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re: Sentenced to Life for an Accident Miles Away
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:23 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:23 am to 4cubbies
The damned thread is 29 pages and you have restated your argument hundreds of times. Come up with something fresh, or as I suggested, take it to the Innocence Project. Here, I'll help:
You can even donate to the Innocence Project
You can even donate to the Innocence Project
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:31 am to Diamondawg
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The damned thread is 29 pages and you have restated your argument hundreds of times.
She's a Liberal woman with a Reddit-Gold Star rating....you don't really think she's interested in serious discourse, do you?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:18 am to Diamondawg
Sir, This is a discussion board.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:44 am to Azkiger
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sympathetic to this. How far removed can someone be from a felony until they're no longer tied to it?
Get away driver for a bank robbery gone wrong (someone was murdered) is one thing but this is too far
I mean how about a discuss the bank robbery gone bad.
So a get away driver sits outside the bank. The people who went into the bank get caught.
The get away driver flees the police and the scene and kills two bikes.
Should all the bank robbers get charged with felony murder?
I'm guessing you are saying well if someone got shot with a gun they all should be charged.
But in this case those two people are just as dead as only one person killed if someone shot them.
So why say it is OK for bank thieves to be charged this way but not other thieves?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:17 am to thetempleowl
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So why say it is OK for bank thieves to be charged this way but not other thieves?
I think if it's demonstrated that a get away car is part of your plan to rob the bank then it's reasonable to charge everyone with murder in that instance.
But for how long are all members culpable? Say the getaway driver eludes capture for a year and then when he is being apprehended he shoots and kills a cop. Should all members be liable even though a year has passed?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:21 am to thetempleowl
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So why say it is OK for bank thieves to be charged this way but not other thieves?
It’s not.
If the other robbers were in police custody, they shouldn’t be charged for what happened while they were in custody.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 9:24 am
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:47 am to oogabooga68
quote:I don't know what that means but I assume it's bad.
Reddit-Gold Star rating..
Posted on 12/14/23 at 12:44 pm to Robin Masters
quote:
But for how long are all members culpable? Say the getaway driver eludes capture for a year and then when he is being apprehended he shoots and kills a cop. Should all members be liable even though a year has passed
Every state treats felony murder a bit different. Most states will require the underlying felony be inherently dangerous (even those requiring life sentences).
As the best generalization, the ability to charge for felony murder ends when the culprit(s) of the underlying felony have reached res gestae, that is when they are at a safe place from police capture. If there isn’t active pursuit, it’s likely over for felony murder
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:10 am to 4cubbies
None of you have a personal stake in this, you lost noone. The family of one of the cyclists, believes that Sadik Baxter, the handcuffed one miles away, was unfairly charged and sentenced. The victim's son is a lawyer, so he is well aware of the felony murder law and believes it to be unfair and draconian as well. Why is that everyone that is saying "oh good for him, he shouldn't have been pulling on car handles" aren't saying "why did the cops violate their own policy and contribute to a dangerous situation?"
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:42 am to KosmoCramer
quote:I get charging the guy who killed them with felony murder, but charging the other guy is an absurdity.
I see, you're mad about the other kid that was running around with his friend stealing, looting, and breaking the law.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:53 am to GusAU
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Should the non-runner’s lack of “skills to avoid being caught” be an acceptable defense as to why he/she/it should not be held liable for the deaths of the cyclists?
Good heavens, that’s stupid! Should a guy who shoots a gun, but misses, be charged with murder? Of course not? You can charge him with something but not murder.
A drunk driver loses control, swerves onto a sidewalk and kills someone. Another does the same but no one is on that sidewalk. Do we charge both with manslaughter (or whatever)? Of course not.
One guy ran and put lives in danger; the other guy did not. That second guy being charged for murder is ridiculous, and anyone who says otherwise is a buffoon.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 6:57 am to thetempleowl
quote:
I mean how about a discuss the bank robbery gone bad.
So a get away driver sits outside the bank. The people who went into the bank get caught.
The get away driver flees the police and the scene and kills two bikes.
Should all the bank robbers get charged with felony murder?
I'm guessing you are saying well if someone got shot with a gun they all should be charged.
But in this case those two people are just as dead as only one person killed if someone shot them.
So why say it is OK for bank thieves to be charged this way but not other thieves?
The get away driver and his get away driving was already a planned part of the robbery. Each bank robber knew this, accepted the risks of such behavior, and went on with the bank robbery attempt.
Can the same be said of this man?
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:16 am to Penrod
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One guy ran and put lives in danger; the other guy did not. That second guy being charged for murder is ridiculous
To charge him with murder doesn’t make sense to me.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:17 am to 4cubbies
quote:
4cubbies
Number of Posts: 49026
Good news: you still have 974 attempts to finally post something relevant beford you hit 50k
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:28 am to Tkggca
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None of you have a personal stake in this, you lost noone. The family of one of the cyclists, believes that Sadik Baxter, the handcuffed one miles away, was unfairly charged and sentenced. The victim's son is a lawyer, so he is well aware of the felony murder law and believes it to be unfair and draconian as well.
So. fricking. What.
Being the victims doesn't give their opinions more validity.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 7:29 am
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:29 am to 4cubbies
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The precipitating offenses in this case: Sadik Baxter had searched five cars for stray cash before surrendering when cops appeared, and O’Brian Oakley, his twenty-six-year-old friend, had fled the scene, lost control of his car in a police chase, and killed the bicyclists. The prosecution charged both men with two counts of felony murder in the first degree.
What a dumbass. I feel nothing for him.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:33 am to jimmy the leg
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To charge him with murder doesn’t make sense to me.
He should have been shot, rifling through cars.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:35 am to 4cubbies
4Cubbies longs for a world where there are no consequences.
Get pregnant = kill the baby
Cant feed your kid = gubment must do it
Get pregnant = kill the baby
Cant feed your kid = gubment must do it
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He should have been shot, rifling through cars.
That’s a bit extreme imho.
Jail time - absolutely.
Kill him…nah.
I hate thieves, but I’m not in favor of capital punishment.
Perhaps we can meet in the middle and just remove an appendage.
If you are caught stealing…you lose your pinky fingers.
Caught a second time, ring fingers.
Caught a third time…your balls are…
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:41 am to Penrod
quote:How damn stupid can you be nimrod?
Good heavens, that’s stupid! Should a guy who shoots a gun, but misses, be charged with murder? Of course not? You can charge him with something but not murder.
The two guys in your example were not committing a crime together.
I understand why you can’t get your head out of your arse since you are unable to distinguish which one is which.
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