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Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:34 pm to Powerman
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We could save a lot of lives if people obeyed simple traffic laws. Should we start throwing people in jail for minor traffic violations?
It depends. What laws did they break? Did they kill someone?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:36 pm to 4cubbies
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I don’t think the kids who stole my vehicle should die for stealing my vehicle.
Because the post you responded to was about killing the criminals? I just realized you're most likely just fricking with everyone. Carry on.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:37 pm to 4cubbies
Chubbies
I assume it’s because rational people understand felony murder convictions are generally nonsensical so that conviction is lumped in with other murder convictions to muddy the waters.
Your words.
I assume it’s because rational people understand felony murder convictions are generally nonsensical so that conviction is lumped in with other murder convictions to muddy the waters.
Your words.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:41 pm to 4cubbies
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No it would be like if one of the kids who stole my vehicle was apprehended and inside the police car while the other drove away in my vehicle and killed two people on bicycles.
Only the driver should be charged with murder in that case.
Okay, let's go with this. Here's a perspective I think you're missing, consider these points/questions:
One, once you start a crime with someone, you don’t get to just back out halfway through it all and say you're innocent on anything further that happens.
Two, can you prove that if you had you backed out at the beginning, your partner in crime would have continued on with the original crime? Maybe if you had backed out at the beginning, the whole thing would have stopped, then and there. You are still complicit in the overall crime spree that lead to murder even if you back out halfway through. It's the fact that it started to begin with, which you were part of, that lead up to the death of the bikers.
This may not sway you over, but it may help you see the basis for the law, at least as I interpret it.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:49 pm to Steadyhands
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One, once you start a crime with someone, you don’t get to just back out halfway through it all and say you're innocent on anything further that happens.
The cyclists were killed because the accomplice evaded arrest. Baxter complied with police orders and was in police custody when the cyclists were killed.
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Two, can you prove that if you had you backed out at the beginning, your partner in crime would have continued on with the original crime?
We can prove that if the accomplice wouldn’t have ran, the cyclists would be alive.
I understand your reading of the law but the application of felony murder just doesn’t seem to be logical in this particular instance.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:53 pm to 4cubbies
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“Don’t you value human life? Are you pro-life?”
I really really really value hard workers, people who don’t make excuses, people who respect other people and society’s laws, people who try their best, people who support their families and offspring, people who refuse to be called victims, people who overcome obstacles and leave a legacy for the people who follow them. I very much value positive contributors to society.
I don’t value worthless, sorry, POS’s at all. I have no doubt we would be better off without those people among us. Imagine no one on welfare, no need to lock your doors at night, no fatherless kids, no homeless people, no dope heads, no groups of thugs storming into stores and taking stuff, no sexual assault, the list is endless. I see very little value in this group of people and think they are a net negative to society. I wash they were not walking the streets.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:56 pm to 4cubbies
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We can prove that if the accomplice wouldn’t have ran, the cyclists would be alive.
Why was the accomplice running though? Because he committed a felony with the guy in your OP.
Would the cyclists have died had these two not decided to commit a felony that day?
Again, it's really easy to avoid being charged with felony murder.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:02 pm to jchamil
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Why was the accomplice running though? Because he committed a felony with the guy in your OP.
Should Baxter also be charged with evading arrest?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:04 pm to 4cubbies
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Ever get a DUI?
Nope
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That’s way more dangerous than what this person did. Life without parole!
I agree
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:05 pm to jchamil
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We can prove that if the accomplice wouldn’t have ran, the cyclists would be alive.
Why was the accomplice running though? Because he committed a felony with the guy in your OP.
Would the cyclists have died had these two not decided to commit a felony that day?
Again, it's really easy to avoid being charged with felony murder.
When you start an initial crime with someone else, there's a likely chance that they will now do things they wouldn't have before. They have crossed a line and see it as past the point of return. If you started the initial crime with them, you helped lead them the end point.
It's like opening Pandoras box, did the guy not participate in opening the box?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:09 pm to 4cubbies
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The cyclists were killed because the accomplice evaded arrest.
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We can prove that if the accomplice wouldn’t have ran, the cyclists would be alive.
Correct, and what did he do that lead up to this? Can the other guy prove he would have done all this on his own, even at a minimum the original crime?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:14 pm to WarMonkey
I bet the mouth breathing rednecks here cheered when the innocent UPS driver in Miami was shot and killed in a police initiated shootout in rush hour traffic. You are not a real conservative if you blindly support cops no matter what. They are no different from liberals in wanting a police state. A true conservative abhors overreaching government and its agents. There was no cause for a police chase in this incident.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:15 pm to Powerman
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We could save a lot of lives if people obeyed simple traffic laws. Should we start throwing people in jail for minor traffic violations?
What a stupid arse counterpoint
Throwing him in jail wasn't to prevent a crime. It was due to the result of his crimes.
If someone kills someone else and is found to be driving recklessly then guess what? We have laws for that called vehicular manslaughter.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:16 pm to Dex Morgan
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mouth breathing rednecks
Is there a difference between a mouth breathing redneck and a redneck who breathes through their nose?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:17 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Burglary. He was a grown arse adult committing burglary.
And that's what he should be charged with. Not murder.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:20 pm to Dex Morgan
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There was no cause for a police chase in this incident.
Not sure about you but I want violent criminals arrested. Each of these people had a record and were actively involved in a crime. Not sure how you think that is a "police state" or that you even understand what "police state" means.
If you get passive on crime you wind up like CA where criminals steal what they want at will.
Sure most conservatives do not support police overreach but this isn't that and a conservative knows that law and order is needed in a functioning society.
Ask Portland how well it worked out for them when they stopped arresting people. They aren't quite to CA level yet but it's so bad they are reversing course.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:26 pm to stout
Such ignorance. No one here has suggested the two thugs shouldn't be prosecuted. But endangering the innocent public over a non-violent crime is spectacularly short sighted. But then you probably supported the cop in Washington commiting felony speeding to a non-emergency call and killing a woman in the crosswalk.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:28 pm to Dex Morgan
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But endangering the innocent public over a non-violent crime is spectacularly short sighted
I don't disagree but if criminals know all they have to do to get away with a crime is speed off and the police won't pursue then what do you think that will lead to?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:34 pm to stout
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I don't disagree but if criminals know all they have to do to get away with a crime is speed off and the police won't pursue then what do you think that will lead to?
If only our founding fathers had given us a solution to this. If the public started handling these matters and taking out the scum like we were intended to do, we wouldn't have these problems. See someone breaking in your car, put a bullet in them. THAT is the only thing that will start making them think twice. The police just screw everything up and don't give a shite about the Constitution as we witnessed during covid. Just earlier this month cops raided the wrong house again and hauled an innocent naked woman out of her bathtub. Why do you want to live in such a society where cops can do such things without consequence?
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 5:35 pm
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