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Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:13 pm to 4cubbies
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doesn’t matter. Don’t do the crime if you aren’t ready to do life without parole. That seems to be the consensus here
Conservative virtue signaling
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:13 pm to Robin Masters
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You people are just talking shite because you think being tough on crime is what alphas do.
It’s laughably transparent. And dim witted. Virtue signaling for conservatives.
I suspect that if almost anyone else would have started this thread, the responses would be much different.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:15 pm to 4cubbies
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I suspect that if almost anyone else would have started this thread, the responses would be much different.
And half the threads this year have been about draconian overreach of the state, ie lawfare. Where is the consistency?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:18 pm to 4cubbies
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It’s truly one of the cruellest ideas in the American legal system,” he said of felony murder. “And most people don’t even know it exists.”
I’d argue that’s bullshite. Most people are well aware of the fact that if someone dies during the commission of a crime you can be charged with murder even if you didn’t pull the trigger or drive the car.
The two idiots were breaking into cars when they were caught. Fleeing the scene is just a continuation of the crime and someone died 12 miles away as a result.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:25 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Fleeing the scene is just a continuation of the crime and someone died 12 miles away as a result.
You would have a reasonable argument if not for the fact that only one person fled.
Although for the record I’m not real keen on giving cops license to mow people down to catch a floor matt thief.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:28 pm to Robin Masters
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floor matt thief
Oh look, we have another one who is significantly downplaying this like it's some harmless, victimless crime. He's a thief who would never make a positive contribution to society. Thieves are worthless and should be shot. We are way, way, way too kind to criminals in this country.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:28 pm to 4cubbies
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Ever get a DUI? That’s way more dangerous than what this person did. Life without parole!
If someone gets killed as a result of you driving under the influence, yes, that's likely the sentence you'll get.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:32 pm to VADawg
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Oh look, we have another one who is significantly downplaying this like it's some harmless, victimless crime. He's a thief who would never make a positive contribution to society. Thieves are worthless and should be shot. We are way, way, way too kind to criminals in this country.
Conservative virtue signaling
Or
You’re the kind of person the founders felt we needed protection from when they drafted the 8th amendment.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:33 pm to 4cubbies
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This is within the bounds of the law. This discussion is about whether or not this is truly logical or should be considered justice.
Um, yeah.
That's what I am speaking to.
I've asked you this—what, 4 times now, using at least two different analogies? I'll try again, without an analogy: Someone is behaving criminally and another innocent person dies as a result of that criminal behavior.
It's justice for no consequences to be attached to that?
If your answer is "yes," BTW, then I will stop responding, because there's no reasoning with that.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:34 pm to Robin Masters
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Although for the record I’m not real keen on giving cops license to mow people down to catch a floor matt thief.
It's a good thing that literally didn't happen.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:35 pm to Robin Masters
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You’re the kind of person the founders felt we needed protection from when they drafted the 8th amendment.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:35 pm to Powerman
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The main difference being in that case you're actually killing the person
Not necessarily with reckless endangerment.
And not even necessarily with a DUI. You could distract someone to the point that they run themselves off the road or hit another vehicle.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:35 pm to 4cubbies
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I suspect that if almost anyone else would have started this thread, the responses would be much different.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:35 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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I’d argue that’s bullshite. Most people are well aware of the fact that if someone dies during the commission of a crime you can be charged with murder even if you didn’t pull the trigger or drive the car.
1. This wasn’t a murder because it wasn’t premeditated.
2. The person was in police custody when the cyclists were killed and had no knowledge that his accomplice would evade arrest.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:38 pm to 4cubbies
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1. This wasn’t a murder because it wasn’t premeditated.
Look up the legal definition of felony murder. And don't attempt any nonsense about arguing against the validity of the law...you're quibbling over legal definitions here, so the definition applies.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:38 pm to wackatimesthree
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Someone is behaving criminally and another innocent person dies as a result of that criminal behavior.
Are you insinuating that’s what happened here? I don’t understand the relevance. No one died because Baxter broke into cars.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:38 pm to MemphisGuy
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It's a good thing that literally didn't happen.
True. I was thinking the cop killed the cyclist in pursuit.
Still, the one person who didn’t kill the cyclist was the guy who immediately surrendered.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:38 pm to Robin Masters
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True. I was thinking the cop killed the cyclist in pursuit.
IMO the cops are more culpable than Baxter.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 2:39 pm to 4cubbies
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They didn’t conspire to kill the cyclists though. Everyone involved in the prosecution agrees that was unintentional.
So what?
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