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re: Senators Hawley Lee & Cruz ask Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:21 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:21 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
let’s push this button that is the only button out of 10,000 which would cause us to lose the 2022 midterms
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:09 pm to BuckyCheese
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Yep. They are tone deaf if they think this is a good time to go after this.
When would be a good time?
That was one of their test cases for creating law out of thin air and personal opinions. It deserves to be pushed back against, just like gay marriage and every other time they legislate from the bench.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:08 pm to David_DJS
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So if Hitler had developed Disneyland and Netflix, you think everyone should have looked past his little Jew thing, and if they didn't - they'd have been just wrong, definitely ignorant?
Well this isn't apples to apples. The state allowing a medical procedure to take place and the state rounding people up and forcing them into camps to be killed are no where near equivalent. The difference is in the force.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:20 pm to oklahogjr
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a medical procedure
You misspelled ‘an execution’
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:46 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
I'll take the flip side of this just for argument's sake.
Trump surged in popularity among Hispanics in 2020: Politico Link
Hispanics generally oppose abortion by a higher margin than do whites and blacks: America Magazine Link (Jesuit)
Cruz, Hawley, and Lee are setting up the 2022 primaries. They are trying to draw the pro-abortion nutters out of the shadows and into the news where Hispanics (and others who are generally against abortion) can see who they would be aligning themselves with if they want to vote with the pro-abortion folks.
They are also setting up left-wing candidates and even blue-dog democrats to get questioned more prominently on their stance on abortion.
This is an attempt to appeal to Hispanics and to get more conservative voters to the polls in 2022.
Social Issue Politics 101. When you need to get voters to the polls, pull out the social issue boogeyman and whoop-up the masses to stop [insert political party/candidate] from destroying our [children/culture/religion/history/the poor, etc.].
Trump surged in popularity among Hispanics in 2020: Politico Link
Hispanics generally oppose abortion by a higher margin than do whites and blacks: America Magazine Link (Jesuit)
Cruz, Hawley, and Lee are setting up the 2022 primaries. They are trying to draw the pro-abortion nutters out of the shadows and into the news where Hispanics (and others who are generally against abortion) can see who they would be aligning themselves with if they want to vote with the pro-abortion folks.
They are also setting up left-wing candidates and even blue-dog democrats to get questioned more prominently on their stance on abortion.
This is an attempt to appeal to Hispanics and to get more conservative voters to the polls in 2022.
Social Issue Politics 101. When you need to get voters to the polls, pull out the social issue boogeyman and whoop-up the masses to stop [insert political party/candidate] from destroying our [children/culture/religion/history/the poor, etc.].
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 9:37 am
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:54 pm to GumboPot
quote:Ive heard this for decades. It's never the right time for some.
Abortion is not it, right now. We need more political momentum going into 2022 and then 2024. Once you reach a large consensus then you can make these risker moves to make some serious gains
When you have the rare chance, you take it. No waiting until later because you don't know what the future holds. The left doesn't wait and we have been sliding in that direction for 50 years now.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:49 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
I think it is a mistake to do this before the 2022 elections. The left has little to run on. Right now, the GOP will pick up some votes from women whose minds could be changed. December 24th, 2022 would have been a better time.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:13 am to oklahogjr
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Well this isn't apples to apples. The state allowing a medical procedure to take place and the state rounding people up and forcing them into camps to be killed are no where near equivalent. The difference is in the force.
See, you can’t even bring yourself to consider that really thoughtful, really smart, really good people see things differently than you. For millions, it’s not a “medical procedure”. It’s murder. Not rhetorically, but literally. That it’s state sanctioned makes zero difference.
A gassed Jew is no more dead than an exterminated baby. Why does force matter - we weren’t talking an amazing government. We were talking about the country and all that comes with it.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:17 am to oklahogjr
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Well this isn't apples to apples. The state allowing a medical procedure to take place and the state rounding people up and forcing them into camps to be killed are no where near equivalent. The difference is in the force.
A medical procedure to kill a human being.
Who are you to put an arbitrary date or timeline on deciding when a human has or doesnt have "life"?
You're on the wrong side or history and science on this one.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 5:19 am to DownSouthJukin
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Cruz, Hawley, and Lee are setting up the 2022 primaries. They are trying to draw the pro-abortion nutters out of the shadows and into the news where Hispanics (and others who are generally against abortion) can see who they would be aligning themselves with if they want to test the pro-abortion waters.
Thank you for that - it is not often that I see an obvious point that I had never given any thought towards on my own. You have planted a very fertile seed in my head. I'm not able to process it fully in my mind at the moment, but this is the only thing that makes any sense for people like Cruz, Hawley, Lee to bring forward this issue at this time.
Gives me hope. It is certainly the right thing to do - just had practical misgivings over the timing. Thanks for quelling that..
Posted on 7/27/21 at 5:23 am to SportTiger1
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You're on the wrong side or history and science on this one.
Yep - IF we survive as a moral civilization, then in another 50 years the current day 'right to choose' advocates will be seen as no difference from the brown shirted storm troopers from the 30s. Perhaps lower.
Just pray that we haven't struck back a year too soon after being in steady retreat for 4 decades.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:26 am to ChineseBandit58
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ChineseBandit58
Had to reword it to make it more correct.
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It is certainly the right thing to do
No doubt. I hope I didn’t come off as too much of a cynic regarding the political motivations behind this.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:20 am to ChineseBandit58
Oh, politically, yeah...dumb timing
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:48 am to Bobby OG Johnson
They should hold one hand out to the SCOTUS and shite in the other one. See which one fills up first.
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