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re: Sen Bodi White introduces bill to increase St George sales taxes up to 2% more
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:53 pm to doubleb
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:53 pm to doubleb
I don't want to start another thread for this, but I don't see how this is constitutional....
Sen Nevers has introduced legislation which would institute a moratorium on incorporating unincorporated areas retroactive to Jan 1 2014. If a petition was complete but no election had been scheduled prior to Jan 1 2014, then the effort may be continued effective Jan 1, 2016. but here's the clincher- the continued effort must now follow any changes to the rules of incorporation.
I don't see how you can 1. retroactively stop an effort like this; and 2. change the rules in the middle of the effort.
No matter what side of the St. George debate you fall on, this is a ridiculous idea and one that is a dangerous precedent. We cannot allow the legislature to simply change the rules in the middle of the game like this. If rules need to be changed, that's fine. Change the Lawrasson (sp?) act rules. But you have to allow already in progress efforts to continue under the rules under which they began.
edit: sorry- forgot the link Nevers' bill
Sen Nevers has introduced legislation which would institute a moratorium on incorporating unincorporated areas retroactive to Jan 1 2014. If a petition was complete but no election had been scheduled prior to Jan 1 2014, then the effort may be continued effective Jan 1, 2016. but here's the clincher- the continued effort must now follow any changes to the rules of incorporation.
I don't see how you can 1. retroactively stop an effort like this; and 2. change the rules in the middle of the effort.
No matter what side of the St. George debate you fall on, this is a ridiculous idea and one that is a dangerous precedent. We cannot allow the legislature to simply change the rules in the middle of the game like this. If rules need to be changed, that's fine. Change the Lawrasson (sp?) act rules. But you have to allow already in progress efforts to continue under the rules under which they began.
edit: sorry- forgot the link Nevers' bill
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Proposed law provides that, if prior to January 1, 2014, the residents of an unincorporated
area initiated a petition for incorporation under present law and no election for the
incorporation was held on or before January 1, 2014, then the petition for incorporation shall
be suspended during this moratorium and may be continued on or after January 1, 2016.
Further provides that any petition suspended as a result of the moratorium in proposed law
shall be subject to the provisions governing municipal incorporation in effect when the
moratorium ends
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 3:55 pm
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:53 pm to LSURussian
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Just call me "Russian."
My parents taught me better than that, it will always be Sir Russian.
Thanks for all you do.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:53 pm to LSURussian
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Just call me "Russian." Titles aren't necessary here.....
LOL. At least you still have your sense of humor...
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:53 pm to doubleb
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Aramark does the same thing for the school board.
I think providing cafeteria services is specific enough.
I would be alarmed if it were a single blanket contract to provide most services (food, information technology, maintenance, janitorial, teaching, library, administrative, ID cards, books, supplies, etc) to every school in the parish.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:55 pm to BR Tiger
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No matter what side of the St. George debate you fall on, this is a ridiculous idea and one that is a dangerous precedent. We cannot allow the legislature to simply change the rules in the middle of the game like this.
I agree.
Who does that guy think he is..... President Obama?!?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:57 pm to LSURussian
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Who does that guy think he is..... President Obama?!?
Obviously he has himself mistaken for you, Lord Emperor Russian.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:02 pm to doubleb
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I heard Central fired their original contractor and replaced him. Was it CH2 that was fired?
Yes. It was a big scandal out there in Central. The Central City News was critical of it and there was circumstantial evidence that certain politically connected people (including a state legislator) were getting hooked up with contracts from CH2mhill and that they even gave some people free driveways and free electrical work on their personal homes. This is when Bodi White and his friends started a new news paper called Central Speaks to sing the praises of Bodi White, the mayor and ch2mhill. The owner of the new paper is now running for mayor against the person that Bodi White's sister is complaining about.
This private company also over-charged thousands of dollars for construction permits and at the time the permit costs were SIX times more expensive than they were in EBR for some reason. Nobody could explain it.
The people were generally upset about it and Bodi White/Starns' group lost majority control of the city council. At this point, they were able to put an RFP out and get a much, much cheaper contractor from out of state. A non-profit, actually. Saved millions when compared to ch2mhill AND have lower permit fees now - although not as low as EBR.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:08 pm to BR Tiger
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Obviously he has himself mistaken for you, Lord Emperor Russian.
I prefer Good Lord. Thanks.
There is one thing that needs changing in the incorporation procedure at some point and that is amending the "no time limit" for gathering signatures on an incorporation petition. Now the process allows years, even decades theoretically, to gather signatures.
Imagine the signature certification nightmare for a clerk of court trying to ascertain whether persons who signed a petition 5 years ago still lives at the same address or is even still alive.
A recall petition allows 6 months to gather 25% of the eligible voters. If there is a burning desire by voters to incorporate an area, 6 months or maybe a year should be plenty of time to get the needed amount of signatures on an incorporation petition.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:11 pm to Asgard Device
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Starns
Central "Kingfish".
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:15 pm to Asgard Device
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I think providing cafeteria services is specific enough. I would be alarmed if it were a single blanket contract to provide most services (food, information technology, maintenance, janitorial, teaching, library, administrative, ID cards, books, supplies, etc) to every school in the parish.
Aramark provides:
maintenance
janitorial
grounds upkeep
I don't know if they do the cafeterias too
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large private company that oversees janitorial and custodial services for the East Baton Rouge Parish schools system is promising to cut $500,000 annually from its $26.1 million operations in exchange for a two-year extension on the contract that is scheduled to expire in 2014.
The Philadelphia-based Aramark said the cuts will amount to $1.8 million over a four-year period.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:16 pm to doubleb
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Aramark provides:
maintenance
janitorial
grounds upkeep
I don't know if they do the cafeterias too
Wow. I didn't know that. I thought they just did cafeterias. i don't see why they can't break that up to let people who specialize in that crap get in on the bidding process.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:17 pm to LSURussian
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Your math is wrong. It's 9 - 0 + 2 = 11.
I cannot believe you are still spouting this ignorant bullshite. Do you understand the meaning of the word UNTIL?
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Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, upon incorporation of St. George, the parish may continue to levy and collect the parish tax within the corporate limits of the municipality, pursuant to an intergovernmental agreement between the parish and municipality, for the purposes of providing continuing, through calendar year 2018, pro-rata funding of parish expenses for constitutional public offices and officials required by law and providing essential public services to, or funding essential public services for, the citizens within St. George until the St. George Transition District levies and collects a two percent sales and use tax, the municipality levies and collects a two percent sales and use tax, the end of the quarter following the election to impose the municipal tax if the proposition is not approved by the electorate, or twelve months after the incorporation becomes final, whichever occurs first.
If you cannot understand the meaning of the term UNTIL in this legislation, then you are a certifiable moron.
Your idiotic call for the legislation to include a "9% clause" is another clear indication that you do not have the mental clarity to understand the process of drafting legislation.
And as I posted on page 2 of your embarrassing thread, the legislation also makes it clear that there can be no overlap of the 2% municipal tax. It simply outlines that the authority lies first with the parish, which must surrender that taxing authority to the transition district, which must then surrender that taxing authority to the new city of St. George.
Since there is absolutely no justification for your 11% claim in the legislation, are your basing that ludicrous statement on your clairvoyant powers, the ones that let you listen in on Bodi White's brainwaves?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:18 pm to hawkster
What?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:19 pm to Asgard Device
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Wow. I didn't know that. I thought they just did cafeterias. i don't see why they can't break that up to let people who specialize in that crap get in on the bidding process.
Exactly. 26.1 million a year contract.
There are companies that just do maintenance on AC, maintenance on electrical, roofing, etc.
There are companies that do janitorial services, lawn services, etc.
You could break up the packages and give locals a shot.
The system is catering to a big company out of state, and you know what these people do to get the business.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:21 pm to LSURussian
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There is one thing that needs changing in the incorporation procedure at some point and that is amending the "no time limit" for gathering signatures on an incorporation petition. Now the process allows years, even decades theoretically, to gather signatures.
Imagine the signature certification nightmare for a clerk of court trying to ascertain whether persons who signed a petition 5 years ago still lives at the same address or is even still alive.
A recall petition allows 6 months to gather 25% of the eligible voters. If there is a burning desire by voters to incorporate an area, 6 months or maybe a year should be plenty of time to get the needed amount of signatures on an incorporation petition.
I agree 100% with you on this. an unlimited timeframe is ridiculous. I think it should be 6 months for smaller areas and a year for larger ones. I don't know the cutoff I would choose, I just am throwing this out.
But, you don't do this to an effort already underway. That's not how we do things in our society.
By the way, I emailed Sen. Nevers expressing my concerns with his bill. Any bets as to whether he or his staff will write me back?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:26 pm to BR Tiger
Is Nevers your state senator?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:26 pm to LSURussian
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What?
Juvenile.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:27 pm to doubleb
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You could break up the packages and give locals a shot.
The system is catering to a big company out of state, and you know what these people do to get the business.
Sounds like you're with me on this.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:27 pm to LSURussian
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Is Nevers your state senator?
He's not, but I'll be writing mine too. He is the author of the bill. (well, he's the named author anyway- I'm sure it was actually written by someone a little closer to the capital city....)
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:34 pm to Asgard Device
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Sounds like you're with me on this.
Definitely.
You could do that with the schools too. ;-)
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