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re: SCOTUS strikes down Arkansas attempt to treat same sex parents differently
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:20 am to Toddy
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:20 am to Toddy
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Looks like Gorsuch is turning out to be the anti gay bigot everyone knew he was.
No not everyone...you are just the typical liberal that if someone does not agree with your way of thinking they are a racist, bigot, homophobe, or any other slur that liberals cast down upon them that do not agree with you...
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:21 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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while the father does not want to be part of the child's life or whatever, but is still listed on the birth certificate, for medical reasons or what have you...
Biological fathers are often not in the birth certificate for a variety of reasons. For instance, a sperm donor doesn't go on the birth certificate.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:22 am to skrayper
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And I imagine that, unless parental rights are stripped by the state (in examples of gross negligence, for example), I imagine a parent could still sue and point to the birth certificate.
I know that in Arkansas that if you even acted as the child's parent for any amount of time, they can and will go after you for child support if the relationship breaks up, even if you weren't a biological parent or listed on the BC, unless you're a woman in which case they won't go after child support at all.
I actually look forward to seeing lesbians suing other lesbians for child support, should be funny stuff.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:23 am to ChineseBandit58
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However, if either of them presents facts to the contrary, the actual semen-donor ought to be on the paper.
That doesn't really happen, especially in Louisiana. From a legal standpoint, a male who fathers a child won't be on the BC if he and the mother agree not to put him on there.
Honestly, I'm not the right person to answer this. I've never really practiced family law. I just remember a bunch of this stuff from the Bar Exam. But I do know that it's not uncommon for biological fathers to left of the BC.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:23 am to Toddy
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OF COURSE Gorsuch dissents. Looks like Gorsuch is turning out to be the anti gay bigot everyone knew he was
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Toddy
They're coming to get Barbara.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:25 am to Antonio Moss
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That doesn't really happen, especially in Louisiana. From a legal standpoint, a male who fathers a child won't be on the BC if he and the mother agree not to put him on there.
Which makes one ask the logical question. What's the point of the birth certificate? I thought it was to keep a birth record?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:26 am to 3nOut
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i can't remember who gave the dissent, but i liked their take. something along the lines of "those who are celebrating, you're celebrating for the wrong reason. "
Roberts
i quote that all the time on here. best part of the decision
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
I applaude this decision. I have always identified as Bill Gates Jr, even though he was not my biological father. Now, after I go change my birth certificate, he will owe me the millions that I deserve.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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Roberts
i quote that all the time on here. best part of the decision
yeah i found it after some googling.
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"Many people will rejoice at this decision, and I begrudge none their celebration. But for those who believe in a government of laws, not of men, the majority’s approach is deeply disheartening. ... Five lawyers have closed the debate and enacted their own vision of marriage as a matter of constitutional law. Stealing this issue from the people will for many cast a cloud over same-sex marriage, making a dramatic social change that much more difficult to accept." "If you are among the many Americans – of whatever sexual orientation – who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today’s decision. Celebrate the achievement of a desired goal. Celebrate the opportunity for a new expression of commitment to a partner. Celebrate the availability of new benefits. But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it."
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:30 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I don't understand
Yeah, this is really the only thing you need to say on this topic.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:30 am to Toddy
In the very near future, that would be a 5-4 decision.
And poor Ginsburg.....
And poor Ginsburg.....
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:33 am to udtiger
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His point was requiring biological parents be listed on birth certificate is not disparate impact and has rational basis.
But it's not important to know who the parents legally are. What's important Is to formally document who loves them the most.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:36 am to Toddy
quote:congratulations, you have won an all expense paid trip to lovely Tehran, luxurious rooftop accommodations included.
Toddy
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:39 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yeah, this is really the only thing you need to say on this topic.
LOL I've read enough of your "thoughts" to know that I would feel more than comfortable challenging you in a debate on any topic at any time.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:40 am to Toddy
According to my S.F. friends, male/male parents tend to be completely fricking clueless. I'm really not sure how I feel about this.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:46 am to blueboy
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According to my S.F. friends, male/male parents tend to be completely fricking clueless. I'm really not sure how I feel about this.
Based on my experiences, most parents in general are clueless.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:47 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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LOL I've read enough of your "thoughts" to know that I would feel more than comfortable challenging you in a debate on any topic at any time.
Don't pretend that the "thoughts" I provide to you people is in any way accidental. I happily accept that challege.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:50 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Gorsuch based his ruling on biology.
That goes against EVERYTHING that identity politics stand for. They ignore biology completely. It's not what science proves, its what people want or feel. That's what's important to them.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:52 am to udtiger
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s point was requiring biological parents be listed on birth certificate is not disparate impact and has rational basis.
Guess who is listed on the current birth certificate of adopted children of heterosexual parents? The adoptive parents. And when there is a surrogate parent, that surrogate biological parent is not listed on the birth certificate. His logic is flawed . This only confirms his bigotry
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 11:56 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:53 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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What's the point of the birth certificate? I thought it was to keep a birth record?
It records the birth but also establishes legal paternity/maternity.
In the cases of surrogate mothers, the adoptive parents go on the birth certificate, not the surrogate mother.
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