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Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:06 am to 88Wildcat
Narrow refers to the issues upon which the case was decided, not the number of justices on each side. This actually was a narrow opinion.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:06 am to Salmon
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read the ruling
I read it. Lots of chastising the commission for their open hostility to religion. However, it was clear that forcing the baker to make the cake is considered a violation of his first amendment right. Isn't the the Crux of the issue?
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:06 am to Salmon
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Therefore, there were other 7-2 or 8-1 rulings that were also described as "narrowly".
quote:Correct.
you are simply not getting this, are you?
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:06 am to LosLobos111
7-2 is narrowly?? Who's reporting the news these days? Seems like they're out of touch with reality...
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:07 am to GumboPot
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7-2 decision:
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politico
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narrowly
The narrowness wasn't in the margin of the votes, but in the scope of the ruling. Read the article.
"But the court did not issue a definitive ruling on the circumstances under which people can seek exemptions from anti-discrimination laws based on their religious views.
The commission had said Phillips violated the Colorado anti-discrimination law that bars businesses from refusing service based on race, sex, marital status or sexual orientation by rebuffing gay couple David Mullins and Charlie Craig in 2012."
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:07 am to BBONDS25
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However, it was clear that forcing the baker to make the cake is considered a violation of his first amendment right. Isn't the the Crux of the issue?
Yes but that isn't what was decided today
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:07 am to ZappBrannigan
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Thanks for the info. Scotusblog is a chore on my phone.
I'm a law student, so I'm used to digesting opinions quickly.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:08 am to Roll Tide Ravens
quote:Fixed it for you.
I read tigerdroppings, so I'm used to digesting opinions quickly.
Edit: Wasn’t implying you weren’t law student though.
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:08 am to Roll Tide Ravens
quote:What year? It may not be too late to quit and make something useful of yourself
I'm a law student, so I'm used to digesting opinions quickly
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:08 am to BBONDS25
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However, it was clear that forcing the baker to make the cake is considered a violation of his first amendment right.
The Supreme Court didn't decide this at all.
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Isn't the the Crux of the issue?
It is, but the court didn't decide on that today. There are future cases that will.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:08 am to tigerpawl
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Correct
I'm sure there have been plenty of rulings that were narrow in scope that were described as narrow.
Yes.
You are making a fool of yourself right now.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:09 am to Salmon
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Yes but that isn't what was decided today
Hmmm. I read it differently.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:09 am to ShortyRob
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Poor old Ballcaster was just sooooooooooo sure.
Whatever happened to that twerp anyway?
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:11 am to BBONDS25
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Hmmm. I read it differently
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One version of the question presented in Masterpiece is: "Does the Constitution give wedding cake bakers a right to refuse service to homosexual couples on the basis of a religious objection, even if a State generally prohibits discrimination in public accommodations on the basis of sexual orientation." That is the "Right not to bake a cake" version. The Court does not answer that question. Instead it holds that the way the Colorado commission considered Mr. Phillips' case showed substantial hostility toward religion. That preserves the possibility that a State could enact a law prohibiting discrimination against homosexual couples and constitutionally apply it to a baker who refused service to a gay couple.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:11 am to Salmon
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Yes but that isn't what was decided today
Well. I mean. Good luck trying to stop someone from exercising their right to say no now without violating his first amendment rights.
Sheesh.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:12 am to buckeye_vol
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Fixed it for you.
Nah, I went and skimmed through the actual opinion and read analysis from lawyers. Ya know, like a law student would do.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:12 am to BBONDS25
Yeah, I read it as the Court is only imposing a duty on the commission to take the baker's religious objections as sincere and treat them neutrally. They were obviously hostile toward him.
But they didn't say that the outcome couldn't be the same once his objections are considered. The dissent makes a pretty good point that refusing to sell a generic, no pro- or anti-message cake, to a gay couple would be a clear violation of the law.
But they didn't say that the outcome couldn't be the same once his objections are considered. The dissent makes a pretty good point that refusing to sell a generic, no pro- or anti-message cake, to a gay couple would be a clear violation of the law.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:12 am to Lsujacket66
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