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SCOTUS Rules 7-2 The Bladensburg Memorial Cross Does Not Violate Establishment Clause

Posted on 6/20/19 at 11:46 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118847 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 11:46 am
quote:

The Blandensburg Cross, aka The Peace Cross, is a war memorial, located in the three-way junction of Bladensburg Road, Baltimore Avenue, and Annapolis Road in Bladensburg, Maryland.



The American Humanist Association had sued the American Legion to have the cross removed, arguing the memorial represented a Christian symbol on public land and violated the establishment clause.

Lower courts had agreed with the plaintiff, against the American Legion, and the memorial was to be removed. The American Legion appealed the ruling all the way to the Supreme Court.

Today the Supreme Court reversed the lower court rulings (full pdf below). In a 7-2 decision authored by Justice Alito, the court acknowledged the Bladensburg Cross -as a memorial- represents more than religion and does not violate the establishment clause.

quote:

“The cross is undoubtedly a Christian symbol, but that fact should not blind us to everything else that the Bladensburg Cross has come to represent. For some, that monument is a symbolic resting place for ancestors who never returned home. For others, it is a place for the community to gather and honor all veterans and their sacrifices for our Nation. For others still, it is a historical landmark. For many of these people, destroying or defacing the Cross that has stood undisturbed for nearly a century would not be neutral and would not further the ideals of respect and tolerance embodied in the First Amendment.”
~ Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.



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Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115962 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 11:48 am to
I'm someone that is pretty fiercely in favor of separation of church and state, but this is a total "no duh" position to me. Great decision.

The opposition to this is batshit.
Posted by TBPland
League City, TX
Member since Sep 2009
1403 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 11:49 am to
Who were the 2 communist dissenters?
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50323 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 11:53 am to
Rex is gonna be pissed.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Minnesota
Member since Jan 2005
45568 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 11:53 am to
quote:

Who were the 2 communist dissenters?


Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8181 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 11:54 am to
quote:

Who were the 2 communist dissenters?


Who else? The zombie and the wise latina.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 11:59 am to
quote:

Rex is gonna be pissed.

Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47465 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:09 pm to
Happy for this ruling.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:10 pm to
They ruled on it again? Twice in one day?
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:15 pm to
Alito is exactly right.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49408 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

They ruled on it again? Twice in one day?


Three times I believe...
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99075 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

Rex is gonna be pissed.


Poor Maggie.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89551 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:17 pm to
Not going to lie - when I got to the part of the syllabus, "The American Legion defended the Cross" - it was awfully dusty in here.

They also quoted from "In Flanders Fields", so I'll post the entire poem.


quote:

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:26 pm to
Lmfao
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118847 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:30 pm to
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Three times I believe...


Sorry about that.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19262 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:32 pm to
It’s welcome to see references like that.

Seems rare these days.

quote:

For 14 hours yesterday I was at work—teaching Christ to lift his cross by numbers, and how to adjust his crown; and not to imagine he thirst till after the last halt; I attended his Supper to see that there were no complaints; and inspected his feet that they should be worthy of the nails. I see to it that he is dumb and stands at attention before his accusers. With a piece of silver I buy him every day, and with maps I make him familiar with the topography of Golgotha.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89551 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:38 pm to
Frankly, there is a good chance that 2 HRC nominees and this could be 5-4(either way).

Thank God for that magnificent orange bastard, Donald John Trump.

This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 12:40 pm
Posted by makinskrilla
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jun 2009
9727 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 12:41 pm to
There is still hope for our country.
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
21607 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:06 pm to
That bitch Ginsberg is still alive?
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
34656 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:08 pm to
Ever see the last episode of Blackadder? It ends with a scene of poppy fields in Belgium...

last scene of Blackadder WW1


quote:

They also quoted from "In Flanders Fields", so I'll post the entire poem.


quote:
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 2:15 pm
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