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re: SCOTUS Roberts now has authority to appoint new Judges to SCOTUS under AG Garland rule.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:24 am to JimEverett
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:24 am to JimEverett
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But it does, I think, show that Meese and them have something here.
The only way they do is if the USSC overrules US v. Nixon
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In United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683, 694 (1974), the Court stated: “[Congress] has also vested in [the Attorney General] the power to appoint subordinate officers to assist him in the discharge of his duties. 28 U.S.C. §§ 509, 510, 515, 533.” In acting pursuant to those statutes, the Court held, the Attorney General validly delegated authority to a special prosecutor to investigate offenses arising out of the 1972 presidential election and allegations involving President Richard M. Nixon. Id. Miller contends, unpersuasively, that the quoted sentence in Nixon, 418 U.S. at 694, is dictum because the issue whether the Attorney General had statutory authority to appoint a special prosecutor was not directly presented and the Supreme Court did not analyze the text of the specific statutes. It is true that a statement not necessary to a court’s holding is dictum. See City of Okla. City v. Tuttle, 471 U.S. 808, 842 (1985); Sierra Club v. EPA, 322 F.3d 718, 724 (D.C. Cir. 2003); Martello v. Hawley, 300 F.2d 721, 722–23 (D.C. Cir. 1962). But Miller misreads Nixon, for the Supreme Court was presented with the question whether a justiciable controversy existed. When the Special Prosecutor issued a subpoena to the President to produce certain recordings and documents, the President moved to quash the subpoena, asserting a claim of executive privilege, id. at 688, and maintained the claim was nonjusticiable because it was “intra-executive” in character, id. at 689. The Supreme Court held there was a justiciable controversy because the regulations issued by the Attorney General gave the Special Prosecutor authority to contest the President’s invocation of executive privilege during the investigation. Id. at 695–97. In this analysis, the Attorney General’s statutory authority to issue the regulations was a necessary antecedent to determining whether the regulations were valid, and, therefore, was necessary to the decision that a justiciable controversy existed. The Supreme Court’s quoted statement regarding the Attorney General’s power to appoint subordinate officers is, therefore, not dictum. Moreover, under this court’s precedent, “carefully considered language of the Supreme Court, even if technically dictum, generally must be treated as authoritative.” United States v. Fields, 699 F.3d 518, 522 (D.C. Cir. 2012).
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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28 U.S. Code § 515 (a)The Attorney General or any other officer of the Department of Justice, or any attorney specially appointed by the Attorney General under law, may, when specifically directed by the Attorney General, conduct any kind of legal proceeding, civil or criminal, including grand jury proceedings and proceedings before committing magistrate judges, which United States attorneys are authorized by law to conduct, whether or not he is a resident of the district in which the proceeding is brought.
§515(a) does not create any offices or authorize their creation. Instead, it concerns the powers of people who have been properly appointed to offices “under law” pursuant to other statutory provisions, and it allows the Attorney General to designate a U.S. Attorney or a special attorney appointed “under law” to prosecute a case “whether or not he is a resident of the district in which the proceeding is brought.”
Section 515(a) is thus a geographical and jurisdictional allocative provision, not a grant of power to appoint private citizens as special counsels. For example, in 2003, this clause allowed the Attorney General to appoint Patrick Fitzgerald, the Senate-confirmed U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, to take on Special Counsel duties to investigate the Valerie Plame affair, which arose in the District of Columbia. Section 515(a) permits this geographical flexibility.
From: LINK
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 11:28 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:30 am to JimEverett
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§515(a) does not create any offices
No offices were created by Smith being appointed.
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Instead, it concerns the powers of people who have been properly appointed to offices “under law” pursuant to other statutory provisions
Like Jack Smith was.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's subordinate to both Congress and the President, which are equal to the USSC
So if Biden told Garland to roll out this "special judge"???
Equal then?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:31 am to RobbBobb
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So if Biden told Garland to roll out this "special judge"???
What special judge?
How would Garland have power in wany way to "roll out" a judge?
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Equal then?
Your hypothetical is nonsensical, so this can't be answered with reality as a basis.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Maybe. Not saying you are wrong, but that case was not about the validity of an AG appointing a special counsel. So there is an easy way out of overruling Nixon.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
What law was Jack appointed under?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:41 am to JimEverett
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Maybe. Not saying you are wrong,
It's not even me. It's what literally every court that has addressed this issue has relied upon when ruling.
I'm just quoting the cases. It's not "my" argument, specifically.
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but that case was not about the validity of an AG appointing a special counsel.
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the Court held, the Attorney General validly delegated authority to a special prosecutor
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:41 am to Timeoday
Most of us realize this country was lost on Jan. 20th 2009. Everything since had just been the death throw's
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:42 am to JimEverett
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What law was Jack appointed under?
The laws the courts addressing this issue have cited.
I got those statutes from the cases over this subject. I literally just copied and pasted from the rules I posted/quoted earlier ITT.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
One case? The DC Circuit opinion?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:47 am to JimEverett
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One case? The DC Circuit opinion?
You can read the others that have addressed this issue.
There is the Miller case, the Manafort case, and the Concord Management case.
And the DC COA ruling on this is pretty major b/c they're basically considered the most respected and elite court under the USSC.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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The laws the courts addressing this issue have cited.
I got those statutes from the cases over this subject. I literally just copied and pasted from the rules I posted/quoted earlier ITT.
I've seen one statute you cited that discussed the tpe of attorneys that were/could be appointed by the AG under law. Not the law that they were appointed under.
Maybe I missed it - this is a long thread.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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This has been the law for a long time, but it was officially memorialized during the Nixon admin and has been confirmed thereafter universally.
There is no legislation supporting these special investigators being indefinitely by an AG, period.
I agree that they have been used in the past, but it was originally intended to be used for specific purposes when granted by Congress.
Nowhere in your document does it state that the AG can do this in perpetuity beyond when specifically indicated by congress beyond the fact that the Supreme Court hasn’t stopped it yet.
In other words, congress has at times granted the right to the AG to appoint special investigators, but it’s not at all clear that the Supreme Court would support an open ended viewing of that grant of rights when not specified by congress for a specific purpose.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:55 am to tide06
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but it was originally intended to be used for specific purposes when granted by Congress.
But the language Jim and SFP have been quoting doesn’t limit the appointment to something specifically granted by Congress. It vests that decision in the discretionary powers of the AG.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 11:57 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:07 pm to boosiebadazz
Okay, what is the article 3 definition of good behavior? Would not upholding your oath qualify? How about activism and lack of ethics? Also, perhaps a judge is politically partisans and does favors for political motives? Because all are considered misconduct, there is no real precedent to my knowledge, the judiciary has never been this out of control. In the past, you’d have a judge that leans right or left, however the law is the law. There are multiple judges that are totally rogue IMHO.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP - the examples you have provided are all SC cases vs. a sitting president, correct?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:38 pm to spacewrangler
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SFP - the examples you have provided are all SC cases vs. a sitting president, correct?
What would be the significance?
Mueller did investigate Trump while Trump was a sitting President, FWIW.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:47 pm to Timeoday
Roberts sucks cock for the taste
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