Scott Ritter on Ukraine and Finland joining NATO

Since when has Finland needed help. They've been fighting off Russia since before the U.S. was a dirty thought in Spain's mind.

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Since when has Finland needed help.

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If you believe that NATO in its current form is about protecting member countries from outside aggressors, well, I can’t help you.

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Trying to join NATO has worked out so well for Ukraine.

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imagine invading a country on your border because you didn't want them to join NATO, failing to conquer that nation, having your military incompetence exposed, having your shitty gear exposed so the other dirtbag countries don't want to buy it anymore, and causing 2 other countries you didn't want to join NATO to immediately join NATO, and then trying to act like you can do anything about it militarily. Invading Ukraine is working out great for Russia

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magine invading a country on your border because you didn't want them to join NATO, failing to conquer that nation, having your military incompetence exposed, having your shitty gear exposed so the other dirtbag countries don't want to buy it anymore, and causing 2 other countries you didn't want to join NATO to immediately join NATO, and then trying to act like you can do anything about it militarily. Invading Ukraine is working out great for Russia

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Russia is not losing. Ukraine is losing badly. You'll see when Poland decides to annex Lyiv and parts of western Ukraine. It will be partitioned.

Joining NATO is not an immediate process. You should read up on the treaty and how that actually works.

Countries have the right to join organizations if they want to. Russia fricked it all up by invading Ukraine the way they did. If Putin had played it smart, sticking to Donbas region, sleepy Joe wouldn't have even noticed it.

Millie to Joe "Russia has invaded Donbas!"
Joe: "Trump says I am a dumbass"
Millie; "Yes you are, but Russia is invading the Donbas region of Ukraine."
Joe: "I think they are like whooping cranes, but I may be wrong. Where is my pudding cup?"

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It is "bad" in the sense that under no circumstances do Russia's preferences rightfully dictate the foreign policy decisions of sovereign nations. Other countries not doing what you want them to do is simply not lawful justification for military aggression.

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Russia does not want thousands of miles of militarized borders, which is what exactly what would happen if Finland joined.

Finland historically was part of the Russian Empire, the Duchy of Finland.

When I said provoke, I meant the entire NATO expansion operation that the neocons have engineered for decades. NATO originally was not going to expand, but it did anyway. The elites in charge are dishonest at the very least.

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Russia does not want thousands of miles of militarized borders, which is what exactly what would happen if Finland joined.

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And yet, nothing Russia wants or doesn't want justifies their attempt to dictate the foreign policy decisions of sovereign nations.

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Finland historically was part of the Russian Empire, the Duchy of Finland.

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There is essentially no possible way for this to be less relevant.

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When I said provoke, I meant the entire NATO expansion operation that the neocons have engineered for decades

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Oh, so you mean the former Warsaw Pact countries, using their sovereign prerogatives, choosing to apply for NATO membership?

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NATO originally was not going to expand, but it did anyway.

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Once again, nothing Russia thinks, wants, or used to have can possibly lawfully dictate what other countries do. It is a ridiculous premise that is even more underscored by the fact that Russia laid down like a bitch when the Baltic states and Poland joined in 2004. They weren't "threatened" then. They are using that excuse now because they feel froggy and need to sell their decision to jump.

Treaties are made to be broken. Both US and Russia are experts.

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Finland historically was part of the Russian Empire, the Duchy of Finland.

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The Finns were (unwilling) vassals to the Russians for about 100 years. They were an important part of the Swedish Empire for 600 years. Gustav Adolphus used Finnish cavalry as his shock troops, because they were both loyal and true badasses.

When Russia took Finland from Sweden, the Finns became and remained a thorn in the paw of the Russian bear until the Russian revolution allowed them to free themselves.

Their effectiveness against the Russians in the WW2 era gets overstated (IMO), and they DID lose substantial territory to the USSR. But they fought like a mean-assed junkyard dog.

I’m not clicking your blind link, but I remain skeptical that Finland joins NATO. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense for them to do so.