re: Scale of 1/10, the Meuller Investigation only nets Manafort/Flynn

You'd lose large parts of the 5A. Maybe all of it. Protections is against self incrimination, and (largely) they'd not be under criminal jeopardy.

But it would take a (large) part of a prosecutor's hammer away. Plea bargains.

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Protections is against self incrimination, and (largely) they'd not be under criminal jeopardy.

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even if this is true, there are likely state laws that cover most of the same illegal activity and the 5A would still cover them

the scope of the pardon would also likely matter a great deal. with all of the overlap in potential charges, the pardon may not remove any and all federal criminal liability. again, the 5th would still 100% apply even if that argument is true

so without even getting into that theoretical argument and assuming it's true, the 5th would still apply

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But I think better legal experts than yourself disagree with this part of your post: "the 5th would still 100% apply even if that argument is true "

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if the pardon was specific to certain behaviors/crimes and other federal crimes were still possible? no way

let's just take Manafot. if he's guilty of violating tax laws, and is pardoned for that, if he's still under possible prosecution for FEC violations or other "russian collusion" behaviors, then he can 100% use the 5A if it could incriminate him in the non-tax prosecuions

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9/10 on both of them

sorry but those guys are in trouble...the Fbi doesnt server a no knock warrant without reason to suspect an attempt to foil the gathering of information. Manafort is in big trouble.

Flynn, even Yates said there was criminality there, Flynn is in trouble as well.

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SnoozerHawg , This is some crazy shite we're witnessing. Congress delivers a subpoena for HRC's emails from an illegal private server that contained classified government documents, she has her lawyers and IT baws destroy 33k emails and now we're trying to find corruption on anything and all things Trump related.

You seriously can't make this shite up people.

i don't really disagree with that

i think the "Nixon" aspect is what Trump knew, when he knew, and what he did about it. the "cover up" is where they get you

i think the trump campaign was a bunch of mercs running around trying to one up each other for his favor, which could insulate Trump. it lessens the chance that this was a top-down coordinated effort

i think it may be unrelated/joined

the GJ was just opened to give supoena power and other process. i don't think they're presenting any evidence anytime soon

i could be wrong about that

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If Obama's campaign manager was playing footsie with the Iranians while they were hacking Romney's emails and releasing them, you guys would be yelling treason at the top of your lungs. And rightfully so.

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Eh, treason is the wrong word for this. That's denouncing this country and fighting for the enemy against the United States of America.

Sedition is actually the correct word for this kind of thing.

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Pardons are all encompassing...

Manafort can say he snorted coke off of Ukrainian double agent model arse cracks while taking Rubels and Bitcoin for telling them the secret formula to Trump's hair treatment while performing post birth abortions in a kiln...

Pardon, free, bye bye

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I'm not following. I don't think pardons are usually very broad, mostly because they occur post-conviction. It seems that Nixon's pardon was unusually broad, but that was still specific to his time in office, and those circumstances were quite different than Manafort's. Plus it would seem too politically problematic to make it overly broad.

So what exactly are you saying here?

To be fair, his point remains that the loons here would still be telling treason, but just opposite of the current lib loons yelling it now