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Same rhetoric the left is using against Trump, the right used against Obama
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:07 pm
I see a lot of posts that are rightfully criticizing the left for being so critical of Trump trying to negotiate with North Korea; however, but there seems to be this idea that this is something exclusive to the left, but as you can see from this video, they are just repeated the same talking points (sometimes word for word) that the right when Obama said he would do the same.
Fox News Hated Obama talking to dictators but loves trump meeting with North Korea's Kim Jong-unN
Now I don't think it's fair to all of those in the video necessarily, since they we don't have their reactions to both Obama and Trump. But there are two people in the videos that we do in Hannity and Bolton (now actually part of the admin). And as you can see a good portion of the Obama criticisms were on his show.
Here are the differences between those two from then and now:
Hannity after Obama's comments week before 2008 election
--I think that's a mistake.
--Obama will personally negotiate with the leaders of terrorist nations like Iran and North Korea without preconditions. Wow.
Hannity March of 2018
--The commander-in-chief's leadership is now leading to a major foreign policy breakthrough.
--President Trump scoring a big win.
--The World will probably be a little bit safer. The media should be giving President Trump credit for that.
Bolton after Obama's comments week before 2008 election
--Look, it's a bad idea for the president to speak to Kim Jong-un.
--The idea, which has been fanciful from the start, that we could talke North Korea out of its nuclear weapons program.
Bolton March of 2018
--Why wait until the end of May? Let's do this by the end of March?
I think the worst part of it is that Hannity is also criticizing those who aren't giving Trump credit, but he was doing the same exact thing during Obama's term. He's just as much of a problem and guilty of the same things as the media he so adamantly criticizes. I just wish we could all agree that the hacks on both sides are the problem, and not just have a problem when one side does it. That only enables this hackery.
Edit: The videos are response to Obama's comments a week before the 2008 election, not during it, and not based on any other deals that were not done well.
Fox News Hated Obama talking to dictators but loves trump meeting with North Korea's Kim Jong-unN
Now I don't think it's fair to all of those in the video necessarily, since they we don't have their reactions to both Obama and Trump. But there are two people in the videos that we do in Hannity and Bolton (now actually part of the admin). And as you can see a good portion of the Obama criticisms were on his show.
Here are the differences between those two from then and now:
Hannity after Obama's comments week before 2008 election
--I think that's a mistake.
--Obama will personally negotiate with the leaders of terrorist nations like Iran and North Korea without preconditions. Wow.
Hannity March of 2018
--The commander-in-chief's leadership is now leading to a major foreign policy breakthrough.
--President Trump scoring a big win.
--The World will probably be a little bit safer. The media should be giving President Trump credit for that.
Bolton after Obama's comments week before 2008 election
--Look, it's a bad idea for the president to speak to Kim Jong-un.
--The idea, which has been fanciful from the start, that we could talke North Korea out of its nuclear weapons program.
Bolton March of 2018
--Why wait until the end of May? Let's do this by the end of March?
I think the worst part of it is that Hannity is also criticizing those who aren't giving Trump credit, but he was doing the same exact thing during Obama's term. He's just as much of a problem and guilty of the same things as the media he so adamantly criticizes. I just wish we could all agree that the hacks on both sides are the problem, and not just have a problem when one side does it. That only enables this hackery.
Edit: The videos are response to Obama's comments a week before the 2008 election, not during it, and not based on any other deals that were not done well.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:08 pm to buckeye_vol
That is one long whataboutism
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:08 pm to buckeye_vol
What did the US have to gain with Castro?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:10 pm to buckeye_vol
Clearly there is some partisan politics taking place, however the circumstances are very different between Obama and Trump. Obama showed that he did not have America's interest at heart when dealing with evil regimes and he was willing to concede everything just for the optics. It's basically the very opposite with Trump.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:10 pm to buckeye_vol
Not really because Obama never accomplished anything, so it is not the same.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:10 pm to buckeye_vol
People will pretend it's not true and downvote you (and me), but if Obama did the things Trump just did and said the same things, this board would be calling him a spineless traitor who made a bad deal.
Responses will include:
"Obama would never be in a position to do that" (probably true)
"Obama doesn't have the skills to handle what happened yesterday" (probably true)
But that stuff is irrelevant to the mere fact that if everything was exactly identical but with Obama as POTUS, this place would be irate.
Responses will include:
"Obama would never be in a position to do that" (probably true)
"Obama doesn't have the skills to handle what happened yesterday" (probably true)
But that stuff is irrelevant to the mere fact that if everything was exactly identical but with Obama as POTUS, this place would be irate.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:10 pm to buckeye_vol
A lot of people on the left have been “open” towards the NK talks and a lot of people on the right have been skeptical or evenly openly against
Hannity is a hack. A LOT of conservative pundits on twitter are at best skeptical right now
It’s flat out wrong to claim 100% of the right and left are being hypocrites right now
Rand Paul and others were for the Cuba change
Tulsi gabbard and many dems have been supportive of NK talks
Hannity is a hack. A LOT of conservative pundits on twitter are at best skeptical right now
It’s flat out wrong to claim 100% of the right and left are being hypocrites right now
Rand Paul and others were for the Cuba change
Tulsi gabbard and many dems have been supportive of NK talks
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:11 pm to buckeye_vol
I do not like people that talk out of both sides of their mouth. But, in this case the total lack of trust on BO to work for the best interest of the country he was elected to lead was likely the cause for much of the criticism leveled against him. I know I could not have approved of Obama regardless of what he did, I did not trust him. His deal with Iran is one prime example of why we should not have trusted him.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:11 pm to buckeye_vol
This is what makes yall look like fools
Gorka laid this out. They are no the same. Trumps all business with America first
Hes not doing the wave with a Dictator with American last approach
Gorka laid this out. They are no the same. Trumps all business with America first
Hes not doing the wave with a Dictator with American last approach
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:11 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:
Not really because Obama never accomplished anything, so it is not the same.
He's still got Cash for Clunkers.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:11 pm to buckeye_vol
Okay. At least you're above it all.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:12 pm to buckeye_vol
The "right" didn't hate Obama for talking to dictators, they hated him for apologizing to dictators.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:12 pm to BBONDS25
I started with this:
I'm just saying that we need to stop accepting the one side's talking points, then get outraged when the other side uses the same talking points over the same exact topic. We should be either ok with both or find both unacceptable. I personally find both to be unacceptable in this case.
quote:I do need to fix this sentence up though.
I see a lot of posts who are rightfully criticizing left
I'm just saying that we need to stop accepting the one side's talking points, then get outraged when the other side uses the same talking points over the same exact topic. We should be either ok with both or find both unacceptable. I personally find both to be unacceptable in this case.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:13 pm to Pettifogger
No one believed Obama had Americas best interest at heart. He started his Presidency with an apology tour and never talked about making America great
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:13 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:Well this video is from March so it was when Trump said he was willing to negotiate.
Not really because Obama never accomplished anything, so it is not the same.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:13 pm to buckeye_vol
Honest people will acknowledge your point is true.
I'll admit that my starting point is usually that Trump is doing something good worthwhile, while my starting point with Obama was usually that whatever he is doing is something of minor significance being propped up by a beholden MSM.
A lot of that bias is rooted in truth, but it's nonetheless bias.
I'll admit that my starting point is usually that Trump is doing something good worthwhile, while my starting point with Obama was usually that whatever he is doing is something of minor significance being propped up by a beholden MSM.
A lot of that bias is rooted in truth, but it's nonetheless bias.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:15 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:No I'm not. It's difficult not to allow our biases to impact how we interpret situations. But I at least try to be consistent, especially in the face of the inconsistency.
Okay. At least you're above it all.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:15 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
we need to stop accepting the one side's talking points, then get outraged when the other side uses the same talking points over the same exact topic
That's far too broad a statement. How about we accept what data, intelligence, and common sense tell us is likely the correct course of action.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:15 pm to bamafan1001
quote:
No one believed Obama had Americas best interest at heart. He started his Presidency with an apology tour and never talked about making America great
I think Obama wanted to reshape America in his radical vision, so I agree.
Of course, I think Trump is motivated by glorification of himself more so than America's best interest, but in this case, I think those things are aligned.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:15 pm to buckeye_vol
Huge difference is Iran is directly funding groups actually shooting and killing our people.
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