Sam Harris vs Ben Shapiro debate now posted

I would give my left nut for Hitchens to have destroyed both those idiots.

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both those idiots.

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C'mon, man. Don't be that guy.

Why do y'all take Sam Harris seriously? He's an atheist and Ken Ham crushed him in a debate

Hitch is pretty damn impressive. Him vs Ben would be a good show.

I don’t agree at all that Hitchens was a nihilist and I think he would have a 5 minute rant to anyone who would accuse him of being such. Hitchens has moral principles and was a total egalitarian. I do not think he is remotely a nihilist. His biggest beef is that religious people consider nihilism for the first 80,000 years of human history. It wasn’t until like 3,000 BC before we get a loving god.

I find Harris’ defense of determinism tougher to agree with than objective morality.

Mostly because Harris has no issues waaaay overstepping his bounds in a discussion about the physical world as we currently understand it. I know he’s a very smart individual with a medical background but he’s way off in his application of deterministic behavior of the bits and pieces that make up our physical world.

Will listen later...


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"The difference them is that Harris, while very intelligent, tries to fit objective morality into a worldview in which objective morality is VERY hard to defend.

Hitchens was a nilhist (albeit a soft one) and naturalistic nilhism is a position immune to the arguments of religious and moral apologetics if carried to its logical conclusion. If you are willing to agree that nothing is truly, objectively immoral then you shut down the religious objections to atheism at the root."

"I don’t agree at all that Hitchens was a nihilist and I think he would have a 5 minute rant to anyone who would accuse him of being such. Hitchens has moral principles and was a total egalitarian. I do not think he is remotely a nihilist. His biggest beef is that religious people consider nihilism for the first 80,000 years of human history. It wasn’t until like 3,000 BC before we get a loving god."


And here we have the reason that philosophy is so hated by most people. Dry and ultimately meaningless discussion.

It doesn't matter if someone is a pragmatist, relativist, egalitarian etc. The discussion and where it takes us is what matters.

This was a very interesting discussion. The back and forth with Ben and Sam on free will, reason, and religion was fascinating. I like Eric Weinstein, but wish he had sat this one out

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I like Eric Weinstein, but wish he had sat this one out

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Yeah, it was a miscalculation by Sam. People who expand their horizons with multiple viewpoints tend to look at Sam as the brightest the Left has to offer and Ben as the smartest the Right has to offer. Granted them talking was 80% of it, but I hope the next time they debate, it’s just the two of them, since they barely scraped the surface here. I’m sure it will happen again sometime soon since they both praise one another, and neither of them are shy about shitting on another person they don’t like or respect.