re: 'Rust' armorer Hannah Gutierrez found guilty of involuntary manslaughter

He doesn't care about the woman that he shot and killed.

His whole sob story is poor me and it was the gun not me that pull the trigger.

Statements like that should piss off any judge and send hiss sorry arse to prison.

Total disregard for the victim and her family and no remorse for what he did.

At the end of the day, he will have to live with it for the rest of his life that he killed an individual that didn't deserve to die.

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He doesn't care about the woman that he shot and killed.

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His whining and blaming others is pathetic. Baldwin still is a child trapped in a grown body.

Hes really trying to be the victim here.

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This is my take as well. I also don't agree with people comparing this incident to hunting or just any normal use of a firearm. A movie set is not your typical deer hunting trip. There is never a time when a hunting rifle should be pointed at a person. Whereas, on a movie set, it's very likely. In fact, it's the script. So no, I don't hold actors to the same safety standards as the typical gun handler. The thing is, live ammo should never be on a movie set. And if there are fully functional weapons on a set, they should be under the direct supervision of an armorer at all times.

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There’s no magical law that absolves movie sets from handling guns with the same care and circumspection as a hunter or you and I. In fact, Screen Actors Guild Safety Guidelines specifically state that local laws trump any guidelines.

However, Hollywood has an excellent safety record with guns on set because of SAG guidelines for actors. These include:
- Always assume a gun is loaded unless PROVEN otherwise
- Never point it at anyone
- never pull the trigger unless directed

Baldwin broke all three.

I watched a lot of the trial and in many other scenes it was shown that Baldwin was careless with his weapons.
- firing blanks AFTER the scene was cut
- using the gun as a pointing stick directing people where to go
- having his finger on the trigger when he wasn’t supposed to

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According to Baldwin, he didn't pull the trigger but the gun pulled the trigger by itself.

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is this even possible in an old revolver? the old Colts I have fired take a pretty healthy pull on the trigger to fire

Baldwin will pay once he leaves this earth

He’s a murderer

Thou shall not murder

He will be roasting in hell for eternity but man id love to see him spend some years in prison. Most of us would if we killed someone

Contribution to a murder should straighten the person up. I feel bad because she’s the fall guy, but it’s her job. Baldwin should get life but he won’t

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Now let's put the guy who actually pulled the trigger behind bars.

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Not only did he pull the trigger, but he's the convicted armorer's boss on this project.

So he was responsible for his own safety precautions AND hers.

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I think Baldwin murdered her intentionally
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Treehorn, I’ve been thinking this all along as well. Maybe the lady who got shot “seen something” she shouldn’t have? And was a matter of time before she was a real liability?

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It does sure feel like something else was in play.

I don't think Baldwin is stupid enough to straight up kill someone, and then try to blame the prop for it. I may be giving him too much credit, but even if ke skates on the actual shooting act (actor thinking it's a dummy prop, not a live gun), the negligence and lack of safe practices still falls on him as producer and primary pusher of this movie. And I think he does deserve every bit of punishment for running such a dangerously negligent show.

That said, I wonder if some pissed off crew member holding a grudge about something, set his arse up. Didn't think he would shoot someone, but made it so he'd shoot SOMETHING on the set, and screw him royally. If so, it went wrong/"worked too well", and somebody is dead. And you know they'd never fess up about it now.

It's amazing how bad some of these shitty money grab "movies" are, trying to cash in on a known actor or name. I watched something on Prime awhile back, a sci fi with Bruce Willis in it. It was incredibly crappy, like something a group of 3rd graders with an iphone would record. You know that's what this was going to be, but with Alec Baldwin (and Jensen Ackles) instead of Willis.

added- it makes me think about the film "Bowfinger", which I always thought was a satire spoof of cheap movie productions. Maybe it wasn't as much a spoof as we thought; they film a scene where they convince an actor to run across a busy freeway, telling him 'those are stunt drivers'. It's kinda the same principle here, "oh those are just props".