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re: Russia or Ukraine shoots down Malaysia Airlines plane carrying 295

Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:54 pm to
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:54 pm to
quote:

Reuters World @ReutersWorld
#BREAKING: Ukrainian security chief accuses two Russian intelligence officers of involvement in crash
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9794 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:54 pm to
I'm not a feminist. I'm a conservative woman, who posted a tweet about what Obama was doing today after the plane shoot down.

It was not the first post about Obama, but obviously struck a raw nerve, and maybe was in the wrong thread. I responded to criticisms I received, which I thought was my right. And the post you quoted was after being told to shut up about Obama.

I've actually up voted many of your posts.

And I certainly would never call you a whore.

Have a nice day.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 2:57 pm
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31554 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:57 pm to
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So lets say that Russia did take this plane down and it wasn't the separatists... What would the motivation be?


More than likely, some conscript Russian army grunt saw a blip on the radar and pressed the button prematurely. I'm willing to bet theres no great conspiracy here.

Edit: I really hope this is what happened, and not some sort of False Flag op.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted by Vegas Eddie
The Quad
Member since Dec 2013
6067 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

More than likely, some conscript Russian army grunt saw a blip on the radar and pressed the button prematurely. I'm willing to bet theres no great conspiracy here.

Edit: I really hope this is what happened, and not some sort of False Flag op.





So it’s either an accident or a US false flag OP





Got it
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32758 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:14 pm to
WSJ: U.S. intelligence confirms surface-to-air missile fired at Malaysian jet but is divided over origin.

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Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32758 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:31 pm to
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Vaughn Sterling @vplus
CNN BREAKING: Radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on & track an aircraft right before plane was shot down


quote:

Vaughn Sterling @vplus
CNN BREAKING- U.S. is analyzing the trajectory of the missile to try to learn where the attack came from #MH17


quote:

Vaughn Sterling @vplus
CNN BREAKING: A 2nd system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit -U.S. official

Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32758 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

Read the full transcript of an intercepted phone call below:

Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).

Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?

IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.

VG: How many minutes ago?

IB: About 30 minutes ago.

SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.

“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.

“Grek”: Yes, Major.

"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.

“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?

“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.

“Greek”: Are many people there?

“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).

“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?

“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.

“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?

“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.

“Greek”: Are there documents?

“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson.

Militant: Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snizhne-Torez. It’s a civilian one. Fell down near Grabove. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.

They say on TV it’s AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s written Malaysia Airlines on the plane. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?

Nikolay Kozitsin (a Cossack commander): That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on.


LINK
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:55 pm to
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Bro, seriously.

Well since you sprung my trap, 62 Americans died on that flight, including McDonald. And that one originated in the US. And the shootdown was intentional because the Soviets were convinced the aircraft was collecting intelligence. And after the fact, according to Soviet information declassified in the early 1990s, they harrassed our Navy while pretending to conduct a thorough search for wreckage and materials.


yup...shite got serious for a while for our forces in the region. One of my old chiefs was on a P-3 when this went down and they thought we were at war. Scary times for a while.
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:56 pm to
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One more reason why I hate feminists. They always find a way to make everything about themselves.


holy shite i never thought i'd see the day where we'd agree about something.

Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32758 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 4:01 pm to
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In this regard, I note that this tragedy would not have happened if it was on this earth peace, in any case, would not be renewed hostilities in the south-east of Ukraine. And, of course, the State over whose territory it happened, is responsible for this terrible tragedy.


LINK

This guy
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 4:04 pm to
quote:


More than likely, some conscript Russian army grunt saw a blip on the radar and pressed the button prematurely. I'm willing to bet theres no great conspiracy here.


This is the most likely situation.

No doubt he won't survive the night...
Posted by asurob1
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Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 4:15 pm to
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85102 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 4:55 pm to
So the US has confirmed the plane was shot down... Concerned that evidence will be tampered with.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51397 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 4:57 pm to
So were there Americans on board? I thought so but msnbc said none confirmed.
Posted by NWHoustonTiger
Cypress, TX
Member since Sep 2010
786 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:08 pm to
So it sounds like we can get a fix on the area from where the missile was launched. How difficult will it be to actually track down the mobile launcher? Presumably our satellites and/or surveillance drones are scouring that area. There's no way (that I can see, at least) they would be able to move it back across the Russian border undetected, and there's only so many places you can you can hide something that size.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49413 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:10 pm to
The Ukrainians are now stating that the Separatists shot the plane down with a Ukrainian SAM that was stolen two weeks ago.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32758 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:13 pm to


From a now-deleted tweet
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85102 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:16 pm to
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So were there Americans on board? I thought so but msnbc said none confirmed.


Yeah, I don't see any solid evidence... Just 4-6hr old new reports stating "23 Americans could have been on board"
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4505 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

Yeah, I don't see any solid evidence... Just 4-6hr old new reports stating "23 Americans could have been on board"


Doubt they will confirm any until next of kin have been notified.
Posted by whatthe986
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2007
74 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:35 pm to
CNN fired the missile. They wanted another downed Malaysia plan.
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