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re: Russia may cripple Europe if it decides to suspend oil & gas shipments to them

Posted on 3/9/26 at 2:17 pm to
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 3/9/26 at 2:17 pm to
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Good timing for China.

They need an oil supplier

It’s a long way from where that oil is to China. If the infrastructure doesn’t exist to get it there then it will add a lot of cost that comes from Russia’s pocket.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/9/26 at 2:31 pm to
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Russia won’t do it. They need the money and if they follow through then it takes away the threat leverage from constantly threatening to stop flow.
Exactly.

Putin practices diplomacy through threats. The power isn’t in carrying them out, it’s in people believing he might. Once you actually follow through on something that hurts you as much or more than the other side, the leverage disappears.

Cutting off energy to Europe would do exactly that. Russia needs the revenue and the political leverage that comes from being a supplier. If they permanently shut the valve, Europe just accelerates diversification and Russia loses the tool entirely.

Same thing with his nuclear rhetoric. Putin periodically reminds the world it has nukes, says he's really going to use them this time if a thing happens, the thing happens, and then… nothing. If he actually crossed that line, the entire strategic environment changes overnight in ways that are massively worse for him and Russia.

Keep the threat alive, keep markets and governments nervous, and you keep the leverage intact. The moment you actually pull the trigger on a self-defeating move, the threat stops being useful and just becomes self-defeating.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
19814 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 2:33 pm to
They can buy Venezuelan oil as we take our cut.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12408 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 2:43 pm to
There are existing Russian pipelines to China, Power of Siberia 1 and ESPO pipeline.

And there are proposed new pipeline projects expected within the next couple of years such as Power of Siberia 2 and Far Eastern route.

Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52561 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 2:43 pm to
frick EU
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38344 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 2:49 pm to
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They can buy Venezuelan oil as we take our cut.
Leaving Putin with little future leverage and even less money. Fine by me, but Putin isn’t a stupid man. He understands that actually following through on something like that would be the equivalent of cutting off his nose to spite his face.

What surprises me a little is how quickly he’s going back to the same well considering how much the returns have diminished since 2022. Every time he rattles that saber now, Europe has a little more LNG capacity, a few more suppliers, and a little less dependence.

And it’s remarkable how much he’s managed to narrow Russia’s strategic position. Ten years ago Russia had multiple directions it could lean economically, diplomatically, and militarily. Now it’s increasingly tied to Iran and the norks for basic survival. That’s not exactly the trajectory of a country expanding its leverage.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 3/9/26 at 3:07 pm to
Not sure this is the big deal everyone thinks it is.

LINK

In 2021, Russia supplied the EU with 45 percent of its gas and 27 percent of its oil.

By 2024, these values dropped to 19 of its gas percent and 3 percent of its oil.

Norway is happy, and Europeans are buying American raw materials now too and if the USA gets Venezuela straightened out that can be a source as well.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5136 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 3:10 pm to
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The Germans are being run by WEF aligned punks and must be crippled.


The entire EU is being run by the WEF. The smarter nations have started to resist somewhat by opting to pay penalties rather than taking the Radical Muslims and allowing them to run wild and overtake their countries.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23831 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 3:42 pm to
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Russia may cripple Europe if it decides to suspend oil & gas shipments to them


Good! Why wouldn't this already be happening? Russia being an ally would be soooooo much better than Europe.
Europe is done, over, and will be an outwardly Islamic controlled state within 5 years. Those cowards have surrendered themselves to the weak arse, globalist, Marxist ideology.
The US has more in common core values with Russia than Europe.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22774 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 3:44 pm to
didnt they say this about Ukraine? and Nordstream?
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
3283 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 3:47 pm to
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23831 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 3:50 pm to
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didnt they say this about Ukraine? and Nordstream?


"They" have said this about anything and everything Trump has pushed theast 8 years, yet Trump still won the popular vote! "They" are anti American, weak arse bitches, Marxist supporting pos!

Right is right and wrong is wrong, up will never be down,andmen will never be women despite how much "they" say so!
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17244 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 3:52 pm to
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Europe is done, over, and will be an outwardly Islamic controlled state within 5 years. Those cowards have surrendered themselves to the weak arse, globalist, Marxist ideology.


The Islamic religion is one of three "official" religions of Russia.

After Istanbul, Moscow is Europe's largest Muslim city (if you count Istanbul as being "in Europe").

Russia is far more Muslim that France, UK, etc and certainly you are conveniently ignoring how anti-Muslim Eastern Europe is. The Baltic States of Estonia and Latvia and Lithuania don't have a single mosque and neither does Poland, which is one of Europe's biggest countries.

Meanwhile, enjoy some pictures from Moscow's high holy days.



Posted by Optimism
Member since Jun 2024
924 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 4:42 pm to
Good for Louisiana
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12955 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 4:52 pm to
If our politicians we’re corrupt scum bags they would be pushing to have important thing people need made in the US . At minimum what we would all need. Who ever controls the things in people lives they need control the people . We need to make sure no countries control us . Even red states should work on this in case there is ever a chance of splitting the country.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19988 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:13 pm to

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Not sure this is the big deal everyone thinks it is.

LINK

In 2021, Russia supplied the EU with 45 percent of its gas and 27 percent of its oil.

By 2024, these values dropped to 19 of its gas percent and 3 percent of its oil.


Officially
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23831 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:36 pm to
Why would Putin NOT stop sending oil and gas to Europe?????

I hope he does! frick Europe! Those cowards have rolled over and allowed themselves to be punked by the Islamist death cult. This is the biggest common denominator between us and Russia, neither are willing to allow that death cult to assume control.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55609 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:37 pm to
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There are existing Russian pipelines to China, Power of Siberia 1 and ESPO pipeline.

With capacity to flow the oil needed? And to the fields the oil would have to come from?
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And there are proposed new pipeline projects expected within the next couple of years such as Power of Siberia 2 and Far Eastern route.

Not a factor due to timeline.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21928 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:59 pm to
They have it coming, stupid to set up economic supply chain dependency with a stated adversary.

This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 9:00 pm
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