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Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:52 am to riccoar
So following him, Cutting him off, and drawing guns on him show no sign of intent?
Got it.
Got it.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:54 am to riccoar
quote:I don't care anything about the jogging narrative and I have never mentioned it nor promoted it (outside of correct assholes like you for continuing with the lie that he was in Timberlands.)
No it's not. You are just making shite up because your mind was made up the first time you heard the jogging narrative.
But you're right, it wasn't the police - I think it was the DA himself who tried to sweep this under the rug...until the video came out months later.
quote:You have this backwards - it's only the video that has brought this to light and what is going to put these dullards away like they belong...and like the DA should have pushed for in the first place.
The video proves their was no intent AND that they were doing exactly what they claimed they were doing. The issue is people like you were making up assumptions while the cops had already viewed all of the video. Therefore, under current law, there was no need to detain those involved.
quote:That's plausible. It's also plausible that they never would have brandished firearms and chased a stranger if races were switched.
If the races involved were switched, nobody outside of Georgia would have ever heard about it.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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Even more, they did bring the guns
Yep, those guys were in trouble when they said grab the shotgun and lets see what this guy is up to.
If I read correctly, felony murder includes accidental death and self defense may not be a reasonable defense.
I don't care what anybody says. You wont find many people that would not run while 3 guys in a pickup truck, with a shotgun, are chasing you. It would not matter what race anybody is.
Every body is taught, don't let somebody hold you. Scream, yell, kick, etc. to get away. A moving target is hard to hit. At some point while being chased, its reasonable to believe somebody would turn and try to get or knock the weapon out of the way, if they think they could not get away.
Of all the high profile cases, this one is probably the most clear cut and if you want to claim systemic racism, this is the example. If they dont release the video, it may have gone away. It amazes me they released it.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:58 am to wt9
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If I read correctly, felony murder includes accidental death and self defense may not be a reasonable defense.
I believe this is accurate. I put a guy away for three counts of homicide in an accidental death case in Georgia. He showed FAR LESS intent to end up killing someone than these two fools did, and still went to prison for 15.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:58 am to the808bass
quote:In all my years of "breaking in" to under construction residential homesites, that has always been my impression: it's a safety issue and they don't want the liability.
A quote from the homeowner’s lawyer.
But like I said, it might be the most ignored law I know of outside of the "no honking" law in Manhattan.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:59 am to Displaced
Intent to detain him? That's what they said they were doing. That is what video showed. So police reviewed the statements, and video, and then make a determination.
I understand the white guilt factor needs soothing, so any person of color that dies by a white person must automatically be decried as racism without any facts to prove that.
I understand the white guilt factor needs soothing, so any person of color that dies by a white person must automatically be decried as racism without any facts to prove that.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:59 am to wt9
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If they dont release the video, it may have gone away. It amazes me they released it.
The most laughable part is that they released the video thinking it would exonerate them.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:00 pm to riccoar
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Intent to detain him? That's what they said they were doing.
They don't get to do that...
Big rule of responsible gun ownership: don't point your gun at anything you aren't prepared to shoot.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:02 pm to riccoar
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I understand the white guilt factor needs soothing, so any person of color that dies by a white person must automatically be decried as racism without any facts to prove that.
This is just you editorializing and has nothing to do with my opinion of this case.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:09 pm to Displaced
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They don't get to do that...
I 100% believe they do.
The entire issue was the gun being pulled. That raises questions.
And to prove murder, you have to show he intended to kill that kid. No way you make me believe that was anyone's intentions. And trying to paint the guys trying to detain him as closet Klan members will just further turn people away from the real issue. It helps nothing.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:13 pm to riccoar
quote:
100% believe they do.
Nope
quote:
And to prove murder, you have to show he intended to kill that kid.
Nope
quote:I'm not doing that, however I don't believe they would have followed Chad Arbery with a truck full for guns for doing the same thing.
And trying to paint the guys trying to detain him as closet Klan members will just further turn people away from the real issue. It helps nothing.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:14 pm to riccoar
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And to prove murder, you have to show he intended to kill that kid.
You need to read up on felony murder. I thought the same as you, but after reading up it is a pretty accurate charge.
I actually feel like it is probably to broad. Suppose two of the guys didnt know the other one has a gun. Kid gets shot. The two that didnt know still get charged with felony murder. In this case, the guy filming may not have even known they had a gun.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:18 pm to riccoar
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Stop trolling like a little bitch then and post the FACTS
The FACT is that the house under construction was NOT burglarized a few days prior to Arbery's death like you claim you dumb frick. You made that up because you are a fricking liar. Those are the facts.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:19 pm to wt9
quote:If someone dies while you are committing a felony, you can be charged with felony murder ... even if they die by tripping over their own shoelaces and hitting their noggin on a passing chihuahua.quote:You need to read up on felony murder.
And to prove murder, you have to show he intended to kill that kid.
Clan McMichaels is accused of committing several felonies, including aggravated assault and false imprisonment.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:23 pm to mouton
quote:I have trouble calling these folks "liars" ... at least until they are given the opportunity to learn the real facts.
The FACT is that the house under construction was NOT burglarized a few days prior to Arbery's death like you claim you dumb frick. You made that up because you are a fricking liar. Those are the facts.
They hear some talking head on Hannity or Gateway Pundit telling them that Arbery was wearing jeans and boots, carrying a stolen hammer and caught red-handed on the construction site by McMichaels while trying to shove a table saw into his cargo pockets ... and they believe every word of it.
When the actual facts become apparent, it is uniformly presented by someone that they perceive as "the enemy," because the intelligent element of their allies have gone silent as the facts develop against them, so they just REFUSE to accept the actual facts and cling to the nonsense they first got from Conservative Treehouse.
Hell, just a couple of pages ago, we had a poster insisting that Arbery was wearing boots, when the actual photos in athletic shoes had been posted in the first few pages of the thread.
Can ... not ... believe ... the ... enemy ... cognitive ... dissonance .....
It works the same way with the Left.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:24 pm to riccoar
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And to prove murder, you have to show he intended to kill that kid.
That's only one of the two ways to get to felony murder. Yes, one subsection of the law is "intentionally killing another person". But that is not the subsection the prosecutor is applying here. The second subsection is "the killing of a person during the commission of another felony".....even if not intentional or premeditated. The "during commission of another felony" part in this instance is the alleged aggravated assault of Arbery by junior, i.e. "the unjustified placing another in imminent fear of death or great bodily harm while using a dangerous weapon".
Without even stating where I stand on any of it personally, the above is simply general information that does apply in this case.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:32 pm to AggieHank86
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I have trouble calling these folks "liars" ... at least until they are given the opportunity to learn the real facts.
I don't. He was called out multiple times and could have just said "I was wrong." He has also continually talked about other people's lies. frick him.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 1:04 pm to mouton
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frick him.
My goodness. Still stomping mad.
Not a good look.
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