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re: Robert’s insist that tariffs are a tax on the American people, and a tax needs to come
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:49 am to Padme
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:49 am to Padme
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tariffs are a tax on the American people
So then we all getting checks when the tariffs are struck down? They’re going to repay each citizen tariff money? Have they calculated how mych each person spent?
How completely fricking moronic.
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Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:50 am to LSUnation78
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So then we all getting checks when the tariffs are struck down? They’re going to repay each citizen tariff money? Have they calculated how mych each person spent?
It's certainly a quagmire and should be a lesson for all future Presidents
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:50 am to lepdagod
quote:Where in the Declarations of War in Dec 1941 were Nuclear Weapons authorized? Where were they authorized subsequently, prior to Aug 6, 1945 (Hiroshima)?
t’s like they don’t understand the word tariff is not included in the text…
Where in the world does the grant of broad ability of the EB to regulate foreign exchange and transactions, exclude the use of tariffs?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:51 am to the808bass
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It has to be wild that people take you less seriously here even than in real life.
I am just here for information. As in, "this is what I see...am I wrong?...what do y'all see?"
I appreciate all I have learned here. Some of that has been from you. Plus, you're really good at insults. Cheers.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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At least I can read
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:52 am to LSUnation78
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How completely fricking moronic.
Maybe the Orange simp shouldnt have decided to play Monarch and unilaterally try to control the economy.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:52 am to SammyTiger
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The issue with obama care is that it was a penalty, but it did come from congress
Ok, problem solved. It’s not a tariff, it’s a penalty for unfair trade.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:54 am to IvoryBillMatt
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I appreciate all I have learned here. Some of that has been from you. Plus, you're really good at insults. Cheers.
Ignore it. MAGAts are fairly proud of their ignorance.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I've got a nephew that is a druggie. He has many times "praised the idea of getting clean" (like you praised Trump). He at times says the words, but he ALWAYS goes back to the ways of his addiction. Likely the only solution for each of your addictions is death.
Only exists in your cult.
I've praised trump recently, but you are illiterate and wouldnt know.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:56 am to wackatimesthree
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And he lost too.
Except it didn’t completely stop him.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:57 am to Bunk Moreland
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Yeah, I don't have the energy to study this particular issue closely and argue the merits, but he is pushing the envelope with other things like the Alien Enemies Act. Most of this board thinks the judiciary is biased, but as boosie said on here, Trump is doing a lot of crazy things that are leading to penalty flags.
I wouldn't call them "crazy," but he's definitely attempting to expand the executive powers. And he knows he is; it's a deliberate strategy.
He also knows those attempts could fail, or some could succeed and others could fail.
It's the cult members who don't understand those things. On both sides.
There's a scene from the movie "Lincoln" where Lincoln is discussing all of the things he did that pushed the hell out of constitutional limits on the executive branch...suspending habeas corpus, subjecting citizens who protested the war to martial law, etc.
In the movie he basically talks about it all very calmly and says something along the lines that our system is designed to decide these issues and it may or may not decide that what he did was constitutional. Either way, the system was working as designed.
That's what's happening here too. We obviously have problems in the lower courts, but the SCOTUS seems fair. That doesn't mean they always get it right, but I do not think it is corrupt with it's current makeup.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 7:58 am
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:57 am to CleverUserName
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Except it didn’t completely stop him.
How so?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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that the ACA case is not relevant to t
Okay, let's get your opinion on ACA since it was brought up which could give us some insight onto how Scotus will rule on tariffs in December. So I present to you that when the ACA hit Obama's desk from Congress, he signed it into law where it explicitly said the ACA subsidies, premiums, individual, employer and Cadilac plan surcharges were 100% not a tax. Then the only way for it to survive a 5-4 vote was for Roberts to say Obama probably meant to say it is a tax under the Commerce Clause. How does that square with you? Would love a leftist's view on this.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:58 am to CleverUserName
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Except it didn’t completely stop him.
You mean they went to other statutes to try the policy again?
Exactly how Scott Bessent said the Trump admin will respond if they lose this case?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:59 am to Padme
He is a compromised piece of crap.
With his stupid logic everything the federal gov't has ever done is a tax on the public.
Regulation on labeling, TSA, building anything at the federal level or with federal dollars, mandatory education, EVERYTHING!
With his stupid logic everything the federal gov't has ever done is a tax on the public.
Regulation on labeling, TSA, building anything at the federal level or with federal dollars, mandatory education, EVERYTHING!
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:NO SIR!
"Waive or modify" is a 'grant of unspecified authority", to use your lanugage.
That waiver, like the IEEPA argument, was in conjunction with a national emergency (CV19 in the student loan instance). That was the basis of waiver (which I presume you know), and it was when Potatobrain & Co attempted play games with "emergency" in order to make the waiver permanent, they got shot down. It was not that they weren't granted the basis to waive repayments.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 8:01 am
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:02 am to SDVTiger
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Of course you follow Ashlen
I don't even know who that is.
I just posted the first link that came up when I Google searched, "Cult De Programming Services."
And I wasn't posting it to you. You're beyond anybody's capabilities for de-programming. The guy I was posting to might still have hope.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:02 am to FizzyPop
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let's get your opinion on ACA since it was brought up which could give us some insight onto how Scotus will rule on tariffs in December.
Any opinions on the ACA and that case have nothing to do with this tariff case. They're two completely different scenarios and analyses.
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where it explicitly said the ACA subsidies, premiums, individual, employer and Cadilac plan surcharges were 100% not a tax.
This is not accurate.
His admin made that argument at oral arguments. There is no text within the statute reflecting your words above.
And arguments at oral arguments aren't worth anything.
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Then the only way for it to survive a 5-4 vote was for Roberts to say Obama probably meant to say it is a tax under the Commerce Clause.
It wasn't the only way, but that' the way that cookie crumbled, ultimately.
Note: the USSC has stripped many other offending portions of the ACA away since that ruling.
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How does that square with you?
It's based in bad precedent that needs to be dealt with, but won't, because that path would strip fedgov of most of its current powers, and nobody wants that sincerely except a small portion of libertarian types that have been marginalized by MAGA.
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Would love a leftist's view on this.
Sorry I can't help you there, but I gave you a non-leftist's view.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:03 am to RohanGonzales
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He is not comparing that. He is comparing the inconsistencies that go on inside of Roberts' head.
Then he chose poor examples and point of emphasis
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:03 am to FizzyPop
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Would love a leftist's view on this.
Leftists are pro-tariff. It's a (far) leftist position.
Bernie Sanders campaigned on it just like Trump.
I don't think SFP can help you on that one.
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