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re: Robert’s insist that tariffs are a tax on the American people, and a tax needs to come

Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:42 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135775 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:42 am to
quote:

You're making the same argument (with the IEEPA) the Biden admin did with their student loan forgiveness scheme (via the HEROES Act),
Negative.
As I said, if you want to challenge the Administration's interpretation of "emergency," it might have sound basis. Still arguable, but weaker for Trump. That is also the avenue of comparison with the Biden admin's student loan forgiveness scheme.

Certainly there are few comparators aligning the Biden actions you cite whether tariffs are authorized under an issuance of broad authority to regulate transactional interfaces with other countries.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298084 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:43 am to
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Tariffs went up in the first administration under Trump as well, and Biden left those largely in place.
Indeed.


Because Democrats love tariffs.

Like MAGA

Congrats on being ideological brothers with antifa.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 7:44 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467646 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:43 am to
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Negative.

Positive.

Biden used broad language of the HEROES Act regarding student loans (and emergencies, even) in a similar way you're arguing the Trump admin should be able to use IEEPA and tariffs. It's almost a 1:1 comparison.

For comparison, your comment

quote:

and the text says POTUS may investigate, regulate, or prohibit any transactions in foreign exchange.


The applicable HEROES Act language allowed the Secretary of Education to "waive or modify any statutory or regulatory provision applicable to the student financial assistance programs under the Higher Education Act".

"Waive or modify" is a 'grant of unspecified authority", to use your lanugage.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 7:46 am
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
5117 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:44 am to
Trust me, before this is all over the taxpayers will get screwed again. Everything is a tax according to John Roberts. Thanks to John Roberts Obamacare stood, and America was burdened with a disaster.

A disaster that the democrats are now using to keep the government shutdown.

Donald Trump is our last chance to save this country. Already the democrats have thrown their support for the muslim communist. I don't expect any resolution to the government shutdown. These commies smell blood.

President Trump is right about...........everything.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10771 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:44 am to
quote:

Biden used broad language of the HEROES Act regarding student loans (and emergencies, even) in a similar way you're arguing the Trump admin should be able to use IEEPA and tariffs. It's almost a 1:1 comparison.


And he lost too.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16439 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:44 am to
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Everyone should do the oposite of what you "conservatives say" You got us into 40tril in debt


quote:

So why would anyone listen to what they have to say


Ok. One has already been exposed in this thread.

Since the democrats are on board for revoking tariffs, thus decreasing revenues, should they surrender their demands for trillions more in spending and sign their own Biden era CR to reopen the government??

Yay or nay?
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 7:49 am
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
85506 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:45 am to
Rofgertheretard tell me about 15%
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6832 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:45 am to
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This statement lacks context… when in the previous 80 years have tariffs impacted the average American consumer as much as the ones Trump have imposed


This is why your argument is dog shite. You’re essentially saying it’s ok if tariffs affect the American consumer a little bit, but just not this much. Who is the judge of how much it affects the consumer to where we can say it’s ok or not ok. frick Off!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467646 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:46 am to
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And he lost too.

Which was great for us.
Posted by FizzyPop
350 posts
Member since Jun 2024
799 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:46 am to
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Not relevant to the IEEPA case


You are an idiot. I was responding to a statement about Obamacare. Jesus man, you are a 1-trick pony.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9096 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:46 am to
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and sent it back to the house.


And the pelosi deemed the bill passed. Now, it is a procedural move, but come on. There was completely different language than the bill the house originally passed.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10771 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:47 am to
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Donald Trump is our last chance to save this country.

President Trump is right about...........everything.



You'll Thank Me Later
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66986 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:47 am to
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This isn't about Trump being picked on. This is about Trump pushing the envelope so hard that it caused a reaction.

Yeah, I don't have the energy to study this particular issue closely and argue the merits, but he is pushing the envelope with other things like the Alien Enemies Act. Most of this board thinks the judiciary is biased, but as boosie said on here, Trump is doing a lot of crazy things that are leading to penalty flags.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3642 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:47 am to
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More cult idiocy.
TDS is an addiction and like all addicts, you are convinced that you don't have a problem everyone else does. Others can see the addiction, but the addict never can.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 7:48 am
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10771 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:47 am to
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Which was great for us.


Agreed. It was the correct decision.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467646 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:47 am to
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You are an idiot.

I'm the opposite

quote:

I was responding to a statement about Obamacare.

Yes, a statement explaining to you the same thing I did, that the ACA case is not relevant to the IEEPA case.

quote:

Jesus man, you are a 1-trick pony.

At least I can read
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9695 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:48 am to

Congress would be much more credible about tariffs or taxes .... if they first did their job of Legislating
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298084 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:48 am to
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This is why your argument is dog shite. You’re essentially saying it’s ok if tariffs affect the American consumer a little bit, but just not this much.


One reason is that Trump used stupid reasoning to impart tariffs on most of the world.

Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
94128 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:48 am to
Of course you follow Ashlen

holy shite that chick or whatevers face
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298084 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:49 am to
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TDS is an addiction

\
Only exists in your cult.

I've praised trump recently, but you are illiterate and wouldnt know.
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