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re: RFKjr Announces Plans for Pharma TV Commercial Ban

Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:01 pm to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46311 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:01 pm to
lol, OK.

Ffs
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
26474 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:04 pm to
I have always thought these type commercials are stupid. I am not going to my doctor and requesting a certain drug. I want my doctor to determine what I need.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467531 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:05 pm to
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Yeah, they were singing a different tune when folks wanted to talk about the 2020 election "results"

The issue then, as it is now, is evidence to discuss.

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or the possibility of FBI/CHS/paid agitators at the Capitol on J6,

The issue then, as it is now, is evidence to discuss

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or discuss the potential dangers of an untested/unregulated/unverified experimental gene therapy being mandated under the guise of a vaccine

We had that discussion and continue to have it

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Where was their staunch defense of free speech then?

When did government make a law outlawing speaking about any of those 3 examples?
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75451 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:06 pm to
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I want my doctor to determine what I need.

Unfortunately, that golf outing in Hawaii for issuing the 50th new Rx for the month might carry some weight in their decision.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75451 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:19 pm to
SFP has used up my single response to his highbrow retardation earlier in the month of March, but in case anyone were curious, here's what Grok had to say on the matter:

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Here are specific examples of government involvement or coordination with social media companies to limit free speech regarding discussion of the 2020 election results, based on available information:

Biden Administration's Communications with Platforms: During the early months of the Biden administration, officials from the White House, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) reportedly engaged with social media platforms like Twitter (now X), Facebook, and YouTube. These interactions involved requests to remove or limit posts deemed as misinformation about the 2020 presidential election. For instance, a White House official emailed Twitter staff after a post by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. suggested, without evidence, that Hank Aaron’s death was linked to the COVID-19 vaccine—a claim tied to broader election-related narratives about government trustworthiness. The email asked, "Wanted to flag the below tweet and am wondering if we can get moving on the process for having it removed ASAP." This example, highlighted in court filings from Murthy v. Missouri, illustrates government pressure on platforms to suppress content, though the administration argued it was to protect election integrity rather than coerce.

FBI and DHS Meetings with Tech Companies: Prior to the 2020 election, tech companies including Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Discord, Wikipedia, Microsoft, LinkedIn, and Verizon reportedly met monthly with the FBI, DHS, and other government agencies. These meetings, as noted in posts on X and referenced in congressional hearings, aimed to coordinate efforts to address election-related content. While not all actions were explicitly coercive, the regular engagement raised concerns about government influence over content moderation, particularly targeting narratives questioning election results. For example, former Twitter executives testified before the House Oversight Committee in February 2023 that the FBI had flagged content, including the Hunter Biden laptop story, which some argued affected election discourse.

Election Integrity Partnership (EIP) Collaboration: The EIP, a consortium involving Stanford Internet Observatory and other research groups, worked with social media companies to monitor and flag election-related misinformation in 2020. A House Judiciary Committee report detailed how the EIP collaborated with platforms to suppress content, including posts questioning the election’s legitimacy. Internal emails uncovered in Murthy v. Missouri revealed that the DHS’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) had "recommended" that the State Department connect with the EIP, suggesting a government-backed effort to influence content moderation. This partnership allegedly led to the censorship of millions of posts, as claimed in discussions on X and by figures like Mike Benz on Tucker Carlson’s program.

State Department’s Global Engagement Center (GEC): Emails uncovered in the Missouri v. Biden lawsuit (later Murthy v. Missouri) showed that the State Department’s GEC provided technology to social media companies to assist in censoring speech before the 2020 election. This technology was purportedly used to identify and suppress posts challenging the official election narrative, as reported in posts on X and discussed in legal filings, highlighting a direct government role in shaping online discourse.

These examples stem from legal cases like Murthy v. Missouri, congressional investigations, and public statements on platforms like X. In that case, Missouri and Louisiana, along with private plaintiffs, alleged that federal officials coerced platforms to remove content, leading to a district court injunction in 2023 (later modified by the Fifth Circuit and reviewed by the Supreme Court in 2024). The Supreme Court ultimately ruled 6-3 in June 2024 that the plaintiffs lacked standing, leaving the coercion question unresolved but not refuting the interactions occurred. Critics argue these actions stifled free speech, while the government maintained they were necessary to counter misinformation threatening election integrity. The evidence remains contested, with some details supported by court documents and testimony, though the full extent of coercion versus persuasion is still debated.


This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 1:21 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78347 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:33 pm to
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its amazing how effortlessly leftists shape-shift from uncompromising civil libertarians to jackboot authoritarians when it comes to free speech.


seems like everyone does that depending on what people say.

Posted by mlminbtr
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2003
683 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:35 pm to
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It is ridiculous to market product to people who can't outright buy it.


This is NOT the reason so many are on TV...the pharmaceutical companies know this. They're spending advertising dollars to control the narrative and the networks/news agencies that are raking in the billions...
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
15918 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:35 pm to
The only time I watch network/antenna tv is when my internet goes out once or twice a month for roughly an hour. That, or for local severe weather coverage. For the most part, I never ever see commercials (as I am always online with premium commercial-free sites).

That said, the internet went out for about an hour Friday, and I resorted to watching Dateline, which goes to commercial every 6 minutes. I swear it felt like I watched 12 pharmaceutical ads! It was absolutely ridiculous.
Posted by roll to victory
Hoover, AL
Member since Aug 2018
1589 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:46 pm to
CANT WAIT....add the bottom feeding personal injury attorneys next!!
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26719 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:59 pm to
Good riddance to those goofy arse commercials.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:02 pm to
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Unfortunately, that golf outing in Hawaii for issuing the 50th new Rx for the month might carry some weight in their decision.


That shite needs to go away as well.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57268 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:06 pm to
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Unfortunately, that golf outing in Hawaii for issuing the 50th new Rx for the month might carry some weight in their decision.


Where is this happening? It used to happen all the time, but I thought it was regulated away in almost every state.
Posted by Phideaux
Cades Cove
Member since May 2008
2611 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:08 pm to
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quote:Unfortunately, that golf outing in Hawaii for issuing the 50th new Rx for the month might carry some weight in their decision. That shite needs to go away as well.


It has and all of the data is available on CMS website. Go type your doctor’s name in and look at what he has been paid. Feel free to fire him as your provider too and stand against that crap.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75451 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:12 pm to
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It used to happen all the time, but I thought it was regulated away in almost every state.


A bit of clarification. I stand slightly corrected. Too many Scrubs reruns for me (all of which predate the ACA):

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In the United States, the legality of pharmaceutical companies rewarding doctors with trips or other incentives for prescribing specific drugs is a bit of a gray area, but it’s heavily regulated. The short answer is: not really, at least not in the way you might be imagining.

The Physician Payments Sunshine Act (part of the Affordable Care Act, enacted in 2010) requires pharmaceutical companies to report any payments or "transfers of value" (like gifts Kingston trips) given to doctors. This transparency law doesn’t outright ban incentives, but it makes them public, which acts as a deterrent. On top of that, the Anti-Kickback Statute (AKS), a federal law, prohibits offering or accepting anything of value to induce prescriptions for drugs covered by federal healthcare programs like Medicare or Medicaid. Violating the AKS can lead to hefty fines or jail time.

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Pharma companies can’t directly tie trips or rewards to prescribing quotas (e.g., "Prescribe 100 units of Drug X, get a Hawaii vacation"). That’s illegal under the AKS. But they can offer indirect perks—like funding for "educational conferences" at fancy resorts, consulting fees, or speaking engagements—where the line gets blurry. These arrangements have to be framed as legitimate business or educational activities, not quid pro quo for prescriptions. The Office of Inspector General (OIG) at the Department of Health and Human Services keeps a close eye on this, and companies risk big penalties if they’re caught crossing into kickback territory.
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
20275 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:18 pm to

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Good riddance to those goofy arse commercials




Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57268 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:21 pm to
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But they can offer indirect perks—like funding for "educational conferences" at fancy resorts, consulting fees, or speaking engagements—where the line gets blurry. These arrangements have to be framed as legitimate business or educational activities, not quid pro quo for prescriptions.


When I was a kid we used to get vacations all the time from pharmaceutical companies. It was awesome. If all dad has to do to get me a Vail trip is present a paper or two…he better get to it!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297980 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:29 pm to
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Looks to me like 76M Americans voted overwhelmingly for this sort of long-overdue reform.


Most voters are dumber than a box of rocks

They also keep "voting" for more debt
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75451 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:32 pm to
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They also keep "voting" for more debt

Most of the "debt" you're referencing is actually American workers keeping more of their tax dollars, but Stockholm Syndrome has you defending the predatory income tax system that views taxpayers keeping their own money as an "expense" that goes against the deficit.

Luckily for you, you will be able to continue cutting a check to the US Treasury after the income tax is a footnote in the history books.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467531 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:35 pm to
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Where is this happening? It used to happen all the time, but I thought it was regulated away in almost every state.

They don't know what they're talking about, as usual.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46311 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:36 pm to
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That's how the free market works.


Not that you'd know anything about it, but we don't have a free market. we never had one.

no one has one.


your red herrings are starting to smell up the place.
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