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re: "reverse HIV" with vaccine. Laboratory findings...

Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:43 pm to
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:43 pm to
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They do more than that. Why aren't we seeing a corresponding rise in other intracellular pathogens?



Like?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39158 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:50 pm to
Lol. You can find it. There are some incredibly common intracellular pathogens that only appear in immunocompromised, as well as one disease I can think of that specifically relies on CD8 activation for part of its pathophysiology.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:52 pm to
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Lol. You can find it.


I don't even need to look it up.

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There are some incredibly common intracellular pathogens that only appear in immunocompromised, as well as one disease I can think of that specifically relies on CD8 activation for part of its pathophysiology.




Spit it out. You are trying to discredit him by saying he didn't mention in that or those in that video.

So which one is it that he needs to mention by name?
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
12629 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:54 pm to
The "vaccine" doesn't stop you from getting Covd. The "vaccine" doesn't stop you from giving Covid to others. However, there is more and more information coming out (despite media to either dismiss or not report at all). There is no reason to take it.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37005 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:55 pm to
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If the data supports his stance, then his stance has merit at some level. The $cientific community withholding their support actually gives his report more credibility, not less.
Then he should get around to showing his work, no? It has been more than 7 months.

Even one of the scientists whose report he tried to cite says he got it all wrong.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:01 pm to
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Then he should get around to showing his work, no? It has been more than 7 months.



He does, EVERY time he speaks.

You just need others to tell you what to think.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39158 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:05 pm to
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I don't even need to look it up.



Lol

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So which one is it that he needs to mention by name?



You think there is only one? My god dude, do you understand the innate immune response for non-viruses will also invoke a CD8 response, especially if they enter the cytosol? Even those intracellular bacterial pathogens that hide in the phagolysosome to avoid oxidative burst will produce a cytokine response, specifically IL-12 which will direct the differentiation of Th1, which can interact directly with macrophages through CD40-CD40l, by secreting IFN-gamma, and through activation of NK cells, cytotoxic T cells, and if there is immunologic memory, induce memory B cells to produce IgG.

Given he's insisting upon a CD8 response specifically is an odd choice, to be frank.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26037 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:06 pm to
This is awesome news. Yay science. Imagine what could happen if we kept politics out of it.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:19 pm to
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You think there is only one?


No. My God "dude", I'm asking you a question that you seem unwilling to answer.

I will ask one last time before I move on. By name, which one would you need for him to mention in order to "validate it" for YOU.

Make a list? What, are you afraid that those may be on the list too.


Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39158 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:24 pm to
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No. My God "dude", I'm asking you a question that you seem unwilling to answer.

I will ask one last time before I move on. By name, which one would you need for him to mention in order to "validate it" for YOU.

Make a list? What, are you afraid that those may be on the list too.



You dumb shite. I need him to answer why we aren't seeing an increase in every intracellular pathogen, not just viral ones, because there is massive molecular overlap between intermediate molecules that invoke a CD8 response between different pathogen types. How can an intracellular bacteria produce a CD8 response, but an intracellular virus not? If you knew anything about immunology, his assertion should make you question his argument, but alas, you don't understand immunology.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9033 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:27 pm to
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showing his work


As if that would matter to you.

You will never entertain anything that goes against your preconceived notion. It is a really stupid way to live life.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:29 pm to
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You dumb shite.




quote:

I need him to answer why we aren't seeing an increase in every intracellular pathogen, not just viral ones, because there is massive molecular overlap between intermediate molecules that invoke a CD8 response between different pathogen types. How can an intracellular bacteria produce a CD8 response, but an intracellular virus not? If you knew anything about immunology, his assertion should make you question his argument, but alas, you don't understand immunology.


Awe... poor crazy...


You will get over yourself. Maybe.


How do you know he hasn't stated that?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103114 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:31 pm to
Posted by Noctyr
Member since Nov 2021
46 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:31 pm to
If you read 5 minutes beyond anything you already agree with you will find that this doctor has widely been denounced because, outside of his own claims, there isn’t any scientific evidence that supports the notion that mRNA vaccines cause autoimmune diseases. Basically scientific consensus says it’s nonsense. Then a quack comes along that you happen to agree with and you throw in with him. Classic confirmation bias.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:31 pm to
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As if that would matter to you.


Which is why he is side stepping it. He is trying to discredit a man who is more than qualified and owns one of the largest labs for NOT mentioning in A video other things he thinks he should have.


It's literally "Crazy"
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53656 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:34 pm to
If the long term side effects of the current Covid-19 vaccines prove to be substantial the same Marxists/leftists/NWO Globalists who are currently pushing the unconstitutional vaccine mandate will convince their sycophant sheep that the risk of a EUA vaccine was well worth the risk of long term side effects of the vaccine and the sheep will say.....Baaa....baaaaaa.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85252 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:36 pm to
FTR , As to my joke on your previous thread, it was not aimed at you or meant as a personal insult, as I always read and enjoy your threads.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39158 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:37 pm to
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How do you know he hasn't stated that?



Lol. You aren't even understanding the argument I'm making. Going by his argument about other viruses, he isn't even making the most common associations for viral immunodeficiencies other than EBV, which has structural differences between CD21 binding between B cells and T cells, but is mostly in B cells.

He's making a bad argument, and you don't understand why.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39158 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:39 pm to
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Which is why he is side stepping it. He is trying to discredit a man who is more than qualified and owns one of the largest labs for NOT mentioning in A video other things he thinks he should have.


It's literally "Crazy"



You understand I have quite a few qualifications myself, correct? His qualifications don't matter if the actual content of his argument is poor, which it is.
Posted by thrillachinchilla
Cage
Member since Oct 2021
157 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:42 pm to
Using Twitter.
Not even posting his data.
Parroting nonsense.

You've become the thing you hate.
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