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re: Reuters: Ukrainian source called Moscow's demands 'non-starters'
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:17 pm to PoppedRiser
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:17 pm to PoppedRiser
quote:So you think because I despise Putin it must automatically mean I admire Zelensky?
How's it feel to have you head up Zelensky's arse?
How does your mother feel knowing her son is a complete idiot?
EDIT: That long quote you included in your post was not posted by me.
Didn't you learn how to quote someone when you were using your previous, now-banned, screen name??
BTW, why were you banned?
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 1:25 pm
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Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:29 pm to John Barron
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If Russia's main demands is no NATO for Ukraine and recognize Crimea and the 4 Oblast that basically are close to full Russian control now anyway as Russian territory that seems like a easy compromise.
But that is not Putin’s only main demands. He has another one. This agreement will not be guaranteed by any power capable of preventing him from reneging and going after more. That’s a tough demand.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:30 pm to John Barron
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So you want the War to continue?
If the Ukrainian people want to keep resisting the invasion of their sovereign nation, they should be free to do so, irrespective of how corrupt their leaders may or may not be.
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If Russia's main demands is no NATO for Ukraine and recognize Crimea and the 4 Oblast that basically are close to full Russian control now anyway as Russian territory that seems like a easy compromise.
By all accounts, Russia’s demands are far more broad than that and drastically reduce Ukraine’s ability to defend itself in the future. Assuming their people don’t want to be controlled by Russia, they are entitled to refuse that demand.
ETA: The new anti-Ukrainian attitude seems to imply that because they are the smaller nation, it is their moral imperative to surrender in order to stop the fighting. That is absurd and not a world anyone should want to live in.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:33 pm to LSURussian
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So you think because I despise Putin it must automatically mean I admire Zelensky?
I browsed your recent replies and you're a blanket pro-Ukrainian hack who ignores that fact that Zelensky is now shittier than Putin. He wasn't initially when he ran, but he's in Kim Jong Un territory now and you still got your head up his arse.
You're not very bright from what I see, a Russian shitlib, which is one of the worst kinds of shitlibs.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:37 pm to Crowknowsbest
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ETA: The new anti-Ukrainian attitude seems to imply that because they are the smaller nation, it is their moral imperative to surrender in order to stop the fighting. That is absurd and not a world anyone should want to live in.
Except many don't want to fight but are forcefully kidnapped and forced to do so. Not exactly a choice they make, but nationalist fricks who run those conscription gangs make for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQZ6VVtdeNA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlbtwGQjcb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWgoPgh0qb8
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:41 pm to PoppedRiser
Forced conscription is a fact of significant state-on-state warfare, particularly for an out-manned country. Zelenskyy is still very popular in Ukraine. I haven’t seen any real mass sentiment from within Ukraine that their people are ready to quit, but I obviously don’t live there.
I think it would basically be impossible to mount the resistance they have to date without pretty strong internal support.
I think it would basically be impossible to mount the resistance they have to date without pretty strong internal support.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:44 pm to PoppedRiser
quote:No, dumbass, I am a "blanket" anti-Putin hack as I have explained numerous times.
I browsed your recent replies and you're a blanket pro-Ukrainian hack
Putin is a sawed-off, murderous dictator who has made a habit of ordering the killing of his own people and even foreign nationals on foreign soil.
I don't give a damn about Zelensky other than applying the principle found in Kautilya's Arthashastra, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
So you just go ahead making up lies while you're sucking Putin's balls...
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:47 pm to John Barron
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A simple way to end this War is tell Zelensky you have 48 hrs to Recognize the Territories you already lost to Russia or we are stopping all aid including weapons.
Why are you even concerned about how this thing ends after all this time? Let Trump do what he's going to do. He does not need your advice.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:48 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Forced conscription is a fact of significant state-on-state warfare. Zelenskyy is still very popular in Ukraine. I haven’t seen any real mass sentiment from within Ukraine that their people are ready to quit, but I obviously don’t live there.
I think it would basically be impossible to mount the resistance they have to date without pretty strong internal support.
That's a lot of excuses you're making for Ukrainians and it's a wild assumptions that he's popular. They did a poll and he's polling in 2nd or 3rd. Forced mobilization is highly unpopular and controversial but people are afraid to speak up because of martial law and Zelensky still having western backing along with media PR cover. Same media that gave Syrian ISIS leader positive coverage calling them "rebels" and "freedom fighters" while his crews went around killing Christians in Syria.
They have a massive public discontent due to cruel and illegal mobilization. It's not a small localized problem.
And that's not even touching the fact that Ukrainian men and people can't really leave Ukraine, essentially making it a concentration camp.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/10/03/ukraine-is-employing-increasingly-controversial-methods-for-mobilization_6728127_4.html
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:53 pm to LSURussian
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I don't give a damn about Zelensky other than applying the principle found in Kautilya's Arthashastra, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
So Putin TDS/useful idiot. Got it.
That's the problem with shitlibs. Gleefully showing off your how you're ignorant. That very reasoning is how many terrorist groups came to prominance all over the world, which eventually came back to bite whoever was funding them in some form or another.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:53 pm to PoppedRiser
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That's a lot of excuses you're making for Ukrainians and it's a wild assumptions that he's popular. They did a poll and he's polling in 2nd or 3rd.
I just googled “Zelenskyy popularity” and basically every entry directly refuted this assertion.
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Forced mobilization is highly unpopular and controversial but people are afraid to speak up because of martial law and Zelensky still having western backing along with media PR cover.
While it would be wonderful if you could simply rely on volunteers, we do not live in a fantasy world. Every major conflict I am aware of over the past 200 years has involved a significant amount of conscription by major combatants. Every major US war has involved a draft.
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And that's not even touching the fact that Ukrainian men and people can't really leave Ukraine, essentially making it a concentration camp.
Because of the draft. Generally countries don’t allow their fighting age men to just leave when things get real.
ETA: if the US went to war with China, I would fully expect that our government would expect me to stay where they can find me. This is a drawback of living in an organized society.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:59 pm to PoppedRiser
quote:You're sinking in ignorance even more.
TDS/useful idiot
Please post images of YOUR images of Trump thanking your for contributing to his campaigns. Dumbass.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:03 pm to PoppedRiser
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I browsed your recent replies and you're a blanket pro-Ukrainian hack
Correct. He is the biggest NAFO troll on this board
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You're not very bright from what I see,
Also Correct. He brags that he worked in Moscow for 3 years but couldn't understand why Ukrainians in the Donbas (70% speak Russian) were being interviewed on CNN and speaking Russian instead of Ukrainian. He concluded they were Russian plants that Putin sent
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:18 pm to John Barron
He also claims to be avidly pro-Trump, which doesn't make sense since Ukrainians did all they could to get rid of Trump in hist 1st term and campaigned for Biden/Harris in his 2nd term and withheld info about his potential assassin. All types of contradictions that can't be explained by Putin Derangement Syndrome.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:27 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
You clearly aren't a rational voice on this topic. You are very emotional.
The best reason to push for peace is to save Ukrainian lives and United States dollars. If you don't care about those things as much as your hatred of Putin, then obviously you will never want peace to occur.
Trump's point about Crimea is exactly on point. The OPs point about territory already lost during this conflict is exactly on point.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:29 pm to John Barron
This war isn't even going on anymore. It's all fake anyone who thinks its real is an idiot
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:29 pm to LSURussian
Still waiting for you to flyover and join the fight
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:31 pm to John Barron
No, what will happen is we will pull out all aid and weapons and Ukraine will lose their entire country by the end of the year. Or, they can accept the proposed terms.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:31 pm to nealnan8
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Incorrect. Trump is being played by Putin
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Trump basically wants Ukraine to surrender, and blames Zelensky for wanting the war to continue.
If Ukraine can fight this war by itself, or with the help of other European countries and wants to continue to do that, Trump really doesn't have anything he can say.
But, the US can't contribute to it.
Trump's trying to help Ukraine negotiate by staying at the table and being a bargaining chip. But, Ukraine isn't respecting that and is preventing a deal from happening. If Trump pulls the plug, Ukraine is in big trouble.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:37 pm to moneyg
Well, you might be saving American dollars, but if Zelensky just capitulates like so many here wish he would. Ukrainian lives are not going to be saved. This was never meant to be a limited war such as Putin and his apologists on here would like to claim
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