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re: Republicans in Congress want their preexisting conditions covered
Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:55 am to dcrews
Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:55 am to dcrews
quote:
I still don't understand how it's reasonable to expect insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions.
Mike Johnson (our House Rep up here) explained it perfectly: "It's the opposite of insurance as a concept. But it polls very well with voters in both parties."
People on the left and right want their pre-exist and they want their 26 yo children. So, this time don't blame the politicians for giving it to them.
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:06 pm to BamaAtl
Weird, it's almost like we are an extremely racially diverse country of 320 million people
For the life of me can't figure out why the healthcare solution here is harder to find than in Sweden
I wonder what the differences could be
Hmm
Nope can't think of one
For the life of me can't figure out why the healthcare solution here is harder to find than in Sweden
I wonder what the differences could be
Hmm
Nope can't think of one
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:11 pm to ThePoo
Why do people continually want to compare our country's healthcare infrastructure to far more homogenous countries with 1/6th of the population we see here
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:15 pm to BamaAtl
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Every other OECD country has figured out how to do it, and they spend less on health care than we do.
They piggyback our r&d and ration care.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:17 pm to Tigerdev
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We are talking about public insurance not providers.
We are talking about a means to an end.
You want to lament the fact that insurance companies have a profit motive, I am asking you to look one step further and realize that Doctors have a profit motive as well.
Look, it's just like anything else in life you have to pick 2 out of the following 3:
1) Affordable
2) High Quality
3) Universal
With a private insurance based system, you get 1 and 2.
With a universal system, you get 1 and 3
If you want 2 and 3, you will bankrupt the country, then no one gets healthcare.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:18 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:
They piggyback our r&d and ration care.
We ration care, too.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:20 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
We ration care, too.
in the private sector? do tell
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:22 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Not in the same sense. Rationing (as is usually understood) implies someone with legal power choosing who gets what, when, and how. Think of ration cards during WW2 or tickets during the days of the soviet union.
We ration care, too.
Prices in a market don't arise because of one person directing it. They arise based on the interplay of millions of buyers and sellers.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:24 pm to Tigerdev
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The profit motive determining whether people get their life or death treatment covered is absurd.
Would you expect the bank to give you a $100,000.00 loan without any money in the bank? That's what your asking the insurance companies to do when you have never paid a premium and all of a sudden you need them to cover you because you got sick. I have been paying for health insurance for 30 years and have never had a major incident. Why should a person who has had the same opportunity to pay in be afforded the same care?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:25 pm to ThePoo
quote:
Why do people continually want to compare our country's healthcare infrastructure to far more homogenous countries with 1/6th of the population we see here
Propaganda. That's why the shillATL does it.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Not in the same sense. Rationing (as is usually understood) implies someone with legal power choosing who gets what, when, and how. Think of ration cards during WW2 or tickets during the days of the soviet union.
Prices in a market don't arise because of one person directing it. They arise based on the interplay of millions of buyers and sellers.
why did you spoil her response? she's almost assuredly mis-using "ration" in her comment and i wanted her to double down
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:26 pm to Ebbandflow
quote:
We chip in because we care.
wrong
quote:
ery similar to how conservatives feel about welfare people. Liberal people have had to send a lot of money to the military over the years bc of blind conservative trust in the military industrial complex
Defense and security of the nation are part and parcel to the function of a government. If it did not provide these things, it would be pointless.
Healthcare, currently, is necessarily the byproduct of someone's labor. By claiming you have a right to healthcare, you are claiming a right to someone's labor, which is antithetical to the concept of a "free" society.
Until we have Star Trek level magic technology which can heal people, healthcare is not a right.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Rationing (as is usually understood) implies someone with legal power choosing who gets what, when, and how.
Economic rationing is usually included in that usually-understood definition...might want to look into that.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:39 pm to BamaAtl
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Economic rationing is usually included in that usually-understood definition...might want to look into that.
That's really stupid. We don't call cars 'rationed' just because some people can't afford one.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:39 pm to BamaAtl
quote:The market does not ration or allocate. The market does not do anything. It has no purposes or objectives. It is simply a legal framework in which people do things with their property and their time in order to pursue their own purposes.
Economic rationing is usually included in that usually-understood definition...might want to look into that.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:43 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:43 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
The market does not ration or allocate.
The market has no brain. However, there is a concept that some people being excluded from the health care market because of cost is a form of rationing.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:44 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
Economic rationing is usually included in that usually-understood definition.
No.
The word "rationing" carries with it an implication that an explicit decision to ration has been made by some entity with the ability to do the rationing.
From Oxford
Wikipedia
As Zach pointed out, BMWs are not "rationed" they are expensive (yea yea OT poor). There is a huge difference.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:45 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
people being excluded from the health care market because of cost is a form of rationing.
So you agree that ACA rations health care then?
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:46 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
However, there is a concept that some people being excluded from the health care market because of cost is a form of rationing.
that's not rationing
rationing is, by definition, an intentional act
the fact that i don't have enough money to buy a Lambo doesn't mean that some force intentionally decided i don't get a Lambo
see the difference?
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