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re: Republicans have got to stop being so fickle on candidate quality
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:03 pm to deltaland
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:03 pm to deltaland
I am just constantly amazed at how gullable people are. The Dems have an amazing network given their collusion with the media. As soon as a GOP candidate begins to emerge or gain any type of momentum, they begin an all out attack to discredit them via any means possible. Desantis, Lake, Herschel, Noem...and so on and so on and so on. While Herschel had flaws for sure, they absolutely controlled the narrative (wife beater, child abuser, etc.) while the DEM candidate had the same issues. Now Desantis is the target, look at every show on every network, they throw out negative comments about him. NO matter what the topic. I expect the DEM voter to run with the stories, but look how many "conservatives" and "MAGA" posters on here constantly repeated the stories thereby carrying the water for them. Meanwhile, DEM voters knew Fetterman was totally incompetent, but they understand the end game, get control of the house/senate and then deal with the compromised delegate for the good of the agenda. That's why they win and will continue to do so.
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:11 pm to lsursb
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but look how many "conservatives" and "MAGA" posters on here constantly repeated the stories thereby carrying the water for them.
Only a few. Far more shite on Trump. The separation plan is working.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:14 pm to lsursb
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Meanwhile, DEM voters knew Fetterman was totally incompetent, but they understand the end game, get control of the house/senate and then deal with the compromised delegate for the good of the agenda.
We have a winner.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:29 pm to deltaland
Republicans blaming voters or non-establishment candidates for most election losses is like blaming a rape victim for allowing herself to get raped. The problem isn’t republicans. The problem is that there is a massive criminal operation that is disenfranchising the people of the United States in order to “elect” candidates to federal office that supports a globalist oligarchic cabal. This isn’t a republican vs democrat thing. This is a “the people” vs their government thing.
We are not a democracy. We are not a republic. We are an occupied nation.
We are not a democracy. We are not a republic. We are an occupied nation.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:33 pm to deltaland
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deltaland
Your mistake is thinking that the GOP wants to be in charge. They do not. They only want to be able to campaign to grift money from people who hope their elected persons will "do this or that". When the elected people only want to be able to make it to the next election cycle and raise more money and attend cocktail parties in DC.
Most GOP just want to be able to make a few speeches about how bad democrats are and if elected they will destroy them. But they never do, even when they have the opportunity.
They are cowards. Like turtle, not spending money on candidates who had a chance at winning while sending money to Alaska to help retain Murkowski who NOBOBY wants.
Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:46 pm to deltaland
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It matters for president. It does not matter for Senate or House members. All they are is a vote.
I don’t agree. This description sounds like an upside down parliamentary system where people vote for the head and let them fill in the parliamentary majority.
We don’t have a parliament. Our system works better when congress and the executive are not in strict lock step based on party affiliation. Gridlock and compromise is a feature, not a bug of our system.
The individual in congress does matter.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:47 pm to deltaland
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It does not matter for Senate or House members.
They arent
Thats the narrative they want you to believe.
Takes the blame off them for not doing anything, ever.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:53 pm to deltaland
If by fickle you mean support horrible candidates, then why even vote Republican?
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:56 pm to ned nederlander
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Our system works better when congress and the executive are not in strict lock step based on party affiliation
I agree with this, but this isn't what we're dealing with right now. Democrats will always be in lockstep, whether it is the voters or the politicians. They have a singular vision to get shite done. Republicans need to follow suit or the country is gone for good.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:09 pm to deltaland
A baggage free real conservative would have won this race.
Republicans won up and down the Georgia ballot in November, and Walker couldn’t ride their coattails.
Like it or not, there are a lot of voters who demand intellectual and moral consistency. We see it here on the Board everyday. They do not want to cast a vote for someone they believe is lying to them, or will lie to them. They want someone who is up to the job-who won’t embarrass them every time he speaks. They obviously thought that Walker isn’t up to the job.
There are smarter and cleaner Republicans. That’s who needs to be nominated, and in a state like Georgia, that’s who can win.
Republicans won up and down the Georgia ballot in November, and Walker couldn’t ride their coattails.
Like it or not, there are a lot of voters who demand intellectual and moral consistency. We see it here on the Board everyday. They do not want to cast a vote for someone they believe is lying to them, or will lie to them. They want someone who is up to the job-who won’t embarrass them every time he speaks. They obviously thought that Walker isn’t up to the job.
There are smarter and cleaner Republicans. That’s who needs to be nominated, and in a state like Georgia, that’s who can win.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:17 pm to deltaland
But what happens when they are shitty retail candidates like Walker?
What happens when you misread the electorate?
This ain't your Daddy's Georgia anymore.
I watched a commercial for Warnock he was appealing to white suburbanites. White suburban and urban dwellers supported him in large enough numbers to make a difference. Find out what the soccer moms want....it is not just safety and security.
What happens when you misread the electorate?
This ain't your Daddy's Georgia anymore.
I watched a commercial for Warnock he was appealing to white suburbanites. White suburban and urban dwellers supported him in large enough numbers to make a difference. Find out what the soccer moms want....it is not just safety and security.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:34 pm to KiwiHead
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Find out what the soccer moms want....it is not just safety and security.
They want the ability to virtue signal on social media. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:37 pm to VADawg
So Fetterman was a good Candidate and Herschel Walker a bad!!!
You are correct, they need to get over candidate quality.
You are correct, they need to get over candidate quality.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:38 pm to redandright
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A baggage free real conservative would have won this race.
Lol
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:38 pm to deltaland
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Who the frick cares if Walker 25 years ago made a woman have an abortion? People make mistakes.
The problem is when your candidates promote an extremely conservative social policy, then their life choices will come under more scrutiny.
It's a bar that few can overcome, which is why those requirements are stupid.
The "Republicans have got to stop being so fickle on candidate quality" has to start with policies for the candidates to promote. Stop pushing losing issues and you won't have such easy targets for hypocrisy.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:41 pm to The007
No, I’m saying that many GOP voters have higher standards than people who vote for the donut from PA.
A big part of the GOP is Evangelican Christian, and they expect their candidates to be ideologically pure.
They didn’t trust Walker there.
ETA>
“Yesterday, I noted that Republicans had won every other statewide office in Georgia in 2022, but I forgot to mention an important point: that every other Republican running statewide had won with more than 50 percent, which was the threshold to avoid a runoff election. Besides Walker, the Republican with the lowest percentage was lieutenant gubernatorial candidate Burt Jones, who finished with 51.39 percent.”
Jim Geraghty NRO today.
A big part of the GOP is Evangelican Christian, and they expect their candidates to be ideologically pure.
They didn’t trust Walker there.
ETA>
“Yesterday, I noted that Republicans had won every other statewide office in Georgia in 2022, but I forgot to mention an important point: that every other Republican running statewide had won with more than 50 percent, which was the threshold to avoid a runoff election. Besides Walker, the Republican with the lowest percentage was lieutenant gubernatorial candidate Burt Jones, who finished with 51.39 percent.”
Jim Geraghty NRO today.
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:42 pm to redandright
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A big part of the GOP is Evangelican Christian, and they expect their candidates to be ideologically pure. They didn’t trust Walker there.
Do you have data on Walker losing the Evangelical vote?
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:02 pm to VADawg
No, that is what you think they want. It might be a good idea to look for their motivation. Maybe ask them?
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:03 pm to the808bass
Numbers aren’t out yet, but there’s a reason he’s the only GOP candidate that lost statewide.
It should have never gotten to a run off. A “normal” conservative would have won.
It should have never gotten to a run off. A “normal” conservative would have won.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:07 pm to the808bass
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Do you have data on Walker losing the Evangelical vote?
According to exit polls, Walker carried 88% of the White evangelical or white born-again Christian vote in the general election.
In the runoff, he carried 83%. So not a huge difference either way, though it did go down a tad.
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