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re: Republicans Fail to See the Biggest Issue Costing them Undecided Voters
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:10 pm to RFK
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:10 pm to RFK
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I personally fail to see how involving the government in a healthcare decision like abortion
Religion aside, its not simply a healthcare issue. You are terminating the only path another human being has in entering the world. That is not a decision that is should be left up to any sole individual. Especially with all the alternatives available.
Plus the fact that after roughly 16 years, the estrogen-filled, emotional, 'mother' will no longer be responsible for that human being. So for only about 16 years of an avg 78 life span (roughly 20%) the Hos of our society determine who gets to live.
Thats idiocy
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:11 pm to FooManChoo
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It is most certainly NOT a “healthcare decision”. It is killing a child.
Like it or not, we don't live in a theocracy. Take what you can get in your jurisdiction, according to the opinion of the people that live there. If you specifically find yourself consistently frustrated by politics, its because you are incapable of separating your personal religious beliefs from the reality of governing an enormous nation of people who don't all agree with you.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:12 pm to RobbBobb
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That is not a decision that is should be left up to any sole individual.
According to who? And for the record, I am pro-life and oppose abortion at the personal level for any reason.
I also happen to believe in self-governance and federalism.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:16 pm to RFK
Do they realize they can still have an abortion? And also
I don’t ish you were aborted.
I don’t ish you were aborted.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:16 pm to RFK
Isn’t it a good thing the federal government is no longer involved with abortion, it’s a state by state issue.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:17 pm to Indefatigable
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Tangent, but I've never heard a coherent explanation for why incest is included here.
Incest resulting in a pregnancy is either rape or consensual. Genetic abnormalities are not included in the list outside of incest, so why are they included in cases of consensual incest?
"Rape, incest, and health of the mother" are so rare in abortion cases that they aren't even worth discussing. Most women who conceive from rape (and report it) actually go through with the birth. A rape exception with no requirement that the rape be reported to the authorities simply allows a woman to lie about how she conceived so she can get an abortion. If she's already going to murder an innocent human being, why would lying about how she conceived matter to her?
"Incest" is another strange one, especially if there is a "rape" exception. If it's incest, but not rape, how does that change things? If she engaged in this activity willingly, then how is she different from anyone else? This is, again, another way a woman can simply lie about how she conceived so she can get an abortion for any reason whatsoever.
"Health of the mother" isn't even relevant because ending a pregnancy over life and death risks has always been allowed and has never been illegal. Women have always had the right to choose between themselves and their babies in life and death scenarios and that has not changed. What they really want is to be able to get an abortion if the mom develops the common cold and can't take typical antibiotics because she's pregnant.
TLDR: "Health of the mother," "incest," and "rape" exceptions are nothing more than end-arounds to abortion for any reason.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:17 pm to RFK
The conservatives removed abortion as a federal issue. Which is where it never should have been in the first place. A woman who feels that the federal government shouldn’t be in the position of saying what a woman can’t do with her body should take the same stance as the federal government shouldn’t be able to say what a woman can do with her body. The mere fact that it was removed from the federal control should be more liberating from a control standpoint.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:18 pm to RFK
Bet your 3 woman wanted to make mask and vaccine decisions for others didn’t they
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:21 pm to RFK
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Two of these women are lawyers and one is an ER doctor, and as educated white women who want 1) fiscal responsibility but 2) social liberalism, they are statistically part of the largest group of undecided voters in this election
None of those women are undecided. None of those women have ever been undecided.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:21 pm to RFK
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But the fact the race is as close as it is, and that educated white women are likely going to decide this election, is proof the GOP is in the Stone Age while the democrats are taking advantage.
This group is like the "independent" voter group. They were invented as a way to move the conservative candidates to the right on policies.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:21 pm to RFK
And this is the reason that Trump is moderating more and more on the Abortion topic.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:22 pm to Indefatigable
quote:I am not advocating for one. A nation doesn’t need to be governed by pastors and priests in order to recognize Christ as king over all nations. A secular nation has no basis for objective morality, meaning there is no way anyone who advocates for secularism can say anything is truly wrong, whether that be abortion, slavery, or communism.
Like it or not, we don't live in a theocracy.
quote:What is the point of advocacy if it’s all about just accepting what you can get in that moment? Is there not value in continuing to advocate for what is right?
Take what you can get in your jurisdiction, according to the opinion of the people that live there.
quote:Everyone has a worldview that forms the basis for how they interact with the world, including how they think about politics. Some are rooted in religious truth claims. That does not invalidate their legitimacy just because not everyone agrees with them. Frustration can occur in politics for many reasons, even for those more “enlightened” with their rejection of objective truth and morality as secularists.
If you specifically find yourself consistently frustrated by politics, its because you are incapable of separating your personal religious beliefs from the reality of governing an enormous nation of people who don't all agree with you.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:22 pm to TDsngumbo
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Nobody here is going to like your post but you’re 1 billion percent correct on this.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:22 pm to RFK
With all due respect, you’re an idiot.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:22 pm to Indefatigable
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According to who?
Obviously to the dead infant.
Who lost 62 years of their life, because some nutjob was freaked out over the first 16 tears
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:27 pm to FooManChoo
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A nation doesn’t need to be governed by pastors and priests in order to recognize Christ as king over all nations
It does, actually.
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A secular nation has no basis for objective morality, meaning there is no way anyone who advocates for secularism can say anything is truly wrong, whether that be abortion, slavery, or communism.
It does. The basis of secular morality is what the secular entity sets forth as its laws.
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What is the point of advocacy if it’s all about just accepting what you can get in that moment?
"Advocate" all you want. That is different from basing your entire political philosophy on an inherent inability to control what people in other places choose to do.
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Is there not value in continuing to advocate for what is right?
There is no value in someone from Georgia telling people in California how they should run their state. Their fate and their opinions are outside of your control.
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That does not invalidate their legitimacy just because not everyone agrees with them.
No, but it certainly invalidates the relevance of their opinion relative to places that they don't live in and rightfully have no control or influence over whatsoever. I'm not telling you that you cannot dislike the rules or morality that other places chose to govern themselves by, I'm telling you that attempting to extrapolate your values on people that live outside of the area that you have the ability to influence is both pointless and futile. It shouldn't take up space in your head.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:27 pm to RFK
Women that vote solely on abortion are the problem with our Country. We gave women the right to vote and they have voted us into our own destruction
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:29 pm to RFK
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I personally fail to see how involving the government in a healthcare decision like abortion is any different from forcing vaccines on people
I’m not really sure why this is a difficult distinction, even if you aren’t some pro-life crusader. To many, one of these circumstances involves another human being which was, in most cases, voluntarily conceived. Voluntarily in the sense that two people willfully engaged in sex, which can, and often does lead to pregnancy. To pro lifers, abortion is choosing to end a human life, not a simple healthcare procedure like removing skin cancer or electing to take a vaccine. You don’t have to share their view that abortion is murder but I think it’s best to assume that pro-life people are sincere in their beliefs.
As for your female family members, they may or may not be telling you the truth about their past. It’s not exactly something that everyone is comfortable telling their brother-in-law. Either way, their opinions are colored by the fact that they certainly know a law school or med school friend whose life would have been ruined if they didn’t get an abortion. Problem is, there’s a pretty easy way not to “ruin their life” with an unwanted pregnancy. Maybe they could take a few simple steps like taking the pill and/or not letting Mike raw dog them before getting a ring.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:31 pm to RFK
Maybe you should read "The Mote in God's Eye"
It May educatue you....even though it's complete fiction.
It May educatue you....even though it's complete fiction.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:31 pm to RobbBobb
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Obviously to the dead infant.
Who lost 62 years of their life, because some nutjob was freaked out over the first 16 tears
Are we for upholding the law, or for upholding the beliefs of anyone and everyone?
It cannot be both ways. Our entire governmental framework was initially intended to allow the States to govern themselves. Are we getting away from that on just this issue? What other issues are we abandoning federalist principles on?
Hell, in most cases, murder is not a federal crime. It is a state charge.
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