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re: Republicans Fail to See the Biggest Issue Costing them Undecided Voters
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:37 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:37 pm to Indefatigable
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Abortion isn't a federal issue. Only very stupid people think that it is, on either side.
Again, emphasis on very, very stupid people.
This this and fcking this. It has nothing to do with the president, its a STATE issue.
If you dont like what the law is where you live, move to another state, voting on a presidential candidate will not change it.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:38 pm to RFK
quote:Say the words.
An abortion is a deeply moral, private, and difficult decision.
Killing your child is a difficult decision according to you. It’s an impossible decision for me, I’d happily die for my child to live.
quote:In every case other than rape or incest they have absolute control over their reproductive choice not to get pregnant. It’s called not being stupid about when and how you have sex. They don’t need an old white man, or any man to help them with that decision.
Why would these voters, educated Americans who contribute to our society in more ways than most, want an older white man to have the power to make a decision about their reproductive choices?
quote:You’re for women killing their children because they’re inconvenient. Why not extend it to after they’re born? Given those women will be the primary caregivers.
When it becomes a matter of public discussion, state coercion, and pompous philosophizing from those who will never have to make the choice, it diminishes the moral autonomy of these women.
It’s the exact same thing, only difference is how old the child is when you kill it.
quote:Your point is you have no problem killing children. We got it, you made it very plain.
Many here fail to see my original point.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:03 am to RFK
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Two of these women are lawyers and one is an ER doctor, and as educated white women
My mother and sister are both surgeons. Both are pro-life and voting trump. Your anecdote means nothing.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 12:05 am
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:14 am to The Baker
So my family cancels yours out
Foolish of you to claim “my anecdote means nothing” when the statistics show it’s in fact your anecdote that means nothing. Your mother and sister are the outliers according to months of polling.
But you actually are making my point; you represent the GOP’s problem, that they are blind to how their archaic stance on what is a personal choice is costing them elections at all levels.
Foolish of you to claim “my anecdote means nothing” when the statistics show it’s in fact your anecdote that means nothing. Your mother and sister are the outliers according to months of polling.
But you actually are making my point; you represent the GOP’s problem, that they are blind to how their archaic stance on what is a personal choice is costing them elections at all levels.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 1:15 am
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:34 am to RFK
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they are blind to how their archaic stance on what is a personal choice is costing them elections at all levels.
why should murder be illegal?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:59 am to RFK
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I personally fail to see how involving the government in a healthcare decision like abortion is any different from forcing vaccines on people
The vaccine doesn’t kill a powerless baby. You don’t seem to understand that there is another creature involved, which is powerless. And no one can prove when, during gestation, that creature becomes a human, whom we should not murder.
At least 85% of people will agree that a one week old fetus is not a human and that a 39 week old one is human. The trouble is locating that point on the continuum at which we can get a solid majority consensus.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:14 am to Penrod
Amendment 4 on the FL ballot states:
Article X Section 22 requires parental notification before a minor can abort.
But, the amendment does not define "viability". So, when does a fetus become viable?
I will vote "no".
quote:
Limiting government interference with abortion.— Except as provided in Article X, Section 22, no law shall prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patient’s health,
as determined by the patient’s healthcare provider.
Article X Section 22 requires parental notification before a minor can abort.
But, the amendment does not define "viability". So, when does a fetus become viable?
I will vote "no".
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 7:15 am
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:40 am to The Baker
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Two of these women are lawyers and one is an ER doctor, and as educated white women
Educated white women are in the largest Hive Mind in existence. Their education seems to have failed them.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:43 am to RFK
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When it becomes a matter of public discussion, state coercion, and pompous philosophizing from those who will never have to make the choice, it diminishes the moral autonomy of these women.
Great, now do men and child support.
Lemme guess, that's different.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:48 am to Indefatigable
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-RFK
-Poster with common sense
Ergo, educated white women are morons. Not exactly new news...
quote:
educated white women
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politician making a choice for them that they feel should be their’s to make, whatever that choice may be
-RFK
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voting based on whether they think a national abortion ban is in the cards is a fricking moron
-Poster with common sense
Ergo, educated white women are morons. Not exactly new news...
Posted on 8/31/24 at 7:54 am to WinnPtiger
You can extrapolate that to a vasectomy as well…
Posted on 8/31/24 at 10:49 am to Penrod
quote:Then at least 85% will be wrong.
At least 85% of people will agree that a one week old fetus is not a human
A is A.
A 1 week old fetus that is not human cannot become one. Is not possible, the fetus would have to be removed from the womb and replaced with something different for your statement to be true.
People can tell themselves whatever lies they can live with. The scientific fact that from the moment of fertilization a new human is created is an unalterable fact.
Not all fertilization results in a pregnancy, which gets overlooked. That does not mean it’s any less human, as a natural process not all survive to be born, whether by failure to implant, miscarriage or stillborn.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:01 am to RFK
Is that what you think we’re supposed to do in life, put our fingers in the air and find out what positions we think are electable, or stand upon convictions?
I mean, chattel slavery was all the rage at one point in our history. Is it your opinion that we should have been in favor of keeping people in bondage because it was popular and electable, or should we have stood upon what was right instead? Ask a Democrat back then and absolutely.
They are slaughtering human beings, and you want people to just turn a blind eye to it so that we can get in power. For what reason, to be just like a Democrat? Why not just become a Democrat instead? The infrastructure is already in place in that party. Is it that you want a name change?
I mean, chattel slavery was all the rage at one point in our history. Is it your opinion that we should have been in favor of keeping people in bondage because it was popular and electable, or should we have stood upon what was right instead? Ask a Democrat back then and absolutely.
They are slaughtering human beings, and you want people to just turn a blind eye to it so that we can get in power. For what reason, to be just like a Democrat? Why not just become a Democrat instead? The infrastructure is already in place in that party. Is it that you want a name change?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:08 am to RFK
quote:You have to be unbelievably stupid to make that analogy.
You can extrapolate that to a vasectomy as well…
Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:12 am to jrobic4
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Ergo, educated white women are morons. Not exactly new news...
Bingo. Spoiled is what they are.
“One of history’s fews iron laws is that luxuries tend to become necessities and to spawn new obligations. Once people get used to a certain luxury, they take it for granted. Then they begin to count on it. Finally they reach a point where they can’t live without it. Over the few decades, we have invented countless time saving machines that are supposed to make like more relaxed - washing machines, vacuum cleaners, dishwashers, telephones, mobile phones, computers, email. We thought we were saving time; instead we revved up the treadmill of life to ten times its former speed and made our days more anxious and agitated.”
- Yuval Noah Harari
Humans are becoming worthless, nothing more than simple consumers.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:14 am to RFK
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Neither of these women has ever had an abortion, and neither would personally have one themselves nor support a close family member having one.
Yet they support other women murdering babies?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:18 am to RFK
The abortion debate would be over if we did 5 things.
1. Mandate that every state have exceptions for rape incest and life of the Mother. Nearly 80% of Americans agree with this.
2. Pass a federal limit on abortion at somewhere between 14 and 24 weeks, just like every civilized country on the planet has. 60% - 75% of Americans agree with this, depending on the number of weeks.
3. Increase access to contraceptives, including emergency contraceptive, through regulatory and market forces.
4. Pass a law that the federal government will never pay for an abortion.
5. Let the states further restrict or ban abortions with the exceptions as they see fit.
This would have broad support with the right messenger. Sure, the progressive will lie and demagog about the plan. But this is where the majority of Americans are on the issue.
1. Mandate that every state have exceptions for rape incest and life of the Mother. Nearly 80% of Americans agree with this.
2. Pass a federal limit on abortion at somewhere between 14 and 24 weeks, just like every civilized country on the planet has. 60% - 75% of Americans agree with this, depending on the number of weeks.
3. Increase access to contraceptives, including emergency contraceptive, through regulatory and market forces.
4. Pass a law that the federal government will never pay for an abortion.
5. Let the states further restrict or ban abortions with the exceptions as they see fit.
This would have broad support with the right messenger. Sure, the progressive will lie and demagog about the plan. But this is where the majority of Americans are on the issue.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:20 am to RFK
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, it diminishes the moral autonomy of these women.
They live in a hive mind and have zero autonomy.
Theyre slaves to their peers.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:21 am to Pettifogger
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Only in modern America can we contort “hey let’s as a society decide not to allow the barbaric and regressive act of extinguishing human life for our own comfort” into the pompous and evil position
Nah.
They did it in Nazi Germany too.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:22 am to RFK
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their archaic stance on what is a personal choice is costing them elections at all levels.
LOL.
What makes it a "personal choice" any more than my choice to rape your wife?
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