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re: Rep. Thomas Massie Nails AG Garland re: Illegal Appointment of Jack Smith As Spec. Counsel

Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:26 pm to
Posted by MFn GIMP
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:26 pm to
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I know you know what I was getting at. I'm just reintegrating myself into the MAGA world so I need to know who to hate and who to like.
Posted by tigerfan 64
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Member since Sep 2016
6469 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:39 pm to
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Garland and the Biden Administration:
"Yeah, so."

Biden and all of his cronies in this admin think they are Stallone in judge dread
"I am the law"
Just like tyrant Fauci
"I am the science"

So sick of totalitarian leftist.

We could really use a good old fashion dictator right now, like OMB.

How will SFP spin this? In his eyes it's all hunky dory.

"I was opposed to the totalitarian police state, except when I'm defending them"
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 5:40 pm
Posted by mtntiger
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:16 pm to
Whoopsie daisy.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:21 pm to
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Both that one and the J6 case.

And they should.

Blatantly unconstitutional.

I think this goes back to the Nixon litigation.

There is a unanimous ruling from the DC COA over the same issue with Mueller.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:22 pm to
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How will SFP spin this?


Legal precedent
Posted by I20goon
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:26 pm to
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The United States Constitution provides that the president "shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for." (Article II, section 2).

The president nominates all federal judges in the judicial branch and specified officers in cabinet-level departments, independent agencies, the military services, the Foreign Service, and uniformed civilian services, as well as U.S. attorneys and U.S. marshals. The vast majority are routinely confirmed, while a small but sometimes highly visible number of nominees fail to receive action or are rejected by the Senate.
yep. point to me in the minutes where Jack Smith was approved by the Senate.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:32 pm to
This is a copy/paste when the same issue came up earlier today:




DC COA unanimous ruling on this issue with Mueller

It's only 16 pages so easy to read

quote:

The question whether Congress has “by law” vested appointment of Special Counsel Mueller in the Attorney General has already been decided by the Supreme Court. In United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683, 694 (1974), the Court stated: “[Congress] has also vested in [the Attorney General] the power to appoint subordinate officers to assist him in the discharge of his duties. 28 U.S.C. §§ 509, 510, 515, 533.” In acting pursuant to those statutes, the Court held, the Attorney General validly delegated authority to a special prosecutor to investigate offenses arising out of the 1972 presidential election and allegations involving President Richard M. Nixon. Id.


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The Supreme Court held there was a justiciable controversy because the regulations issued by the Attorney General gave the Special Prosecutor authority to contest the President’s invocation of executive privilege during the investigation. Id. at 695–97. In this analysis, the Attorney General’s statutory authority to issue the regulations was a necessary antecedent to determining whether the regulations were valid, and, therefore, was necessary to the decision that a justiciable controversy existed. The Supreme Court’s quoted statement regarding the Attorney General’s power to appoint subordinate officers is, therefore, not dictum. Moreover, under this court’s precedent, “carefully considered language of the Supreme Court, even if technically dictum, generally must be treated as authoritative.” United States v. Fields, 699 F.3d 518, 522 (D.C. Cir. 2012).


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Because binding precedent establishes that Congress has “by law” vested authority in the Attorney General to appoint the Special Counsel as an inferior officer, this court has no need to go further to identify the specific sources of this authority. See generally Grand Jury Investigation, 315 F. Supp. 3d at 651–58; see also 28 U.S.C. §§ 515(b), 533(1). Miller’s cursory references to a “clear statement” argument he presented to the district court are insufficient to preserve that issue for appeal and it is forfeited. New York Rehab. Care Mgmt., LLC v. NLRB, 506 F.3d 1070, 1076 (D.C. Cir. 2007); Carducci v. Regan, 714 F.2d 171, 177 (D.C. Cir. 1983); see United States v. Olano, 507 U.S. 725, 733 (1993).


Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:43 pm to
One small problem...

in both Nixon and Mueller they were appointed to investigate presidents while in office, where they had the power to obstruct with the protection of executive decision immunity..

Jack Smith was appointed in Nov. 2022.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:45 pm to
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in both Nixon and Mueller they were appointed to investigate presidents while in office, where they had the power to obstruct with the protection of executive decision immunity..

Jack Smith was appointed in Nov. 2022.

How does this change the role of the SP being an inferior officer?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:45 pm to
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yep. point to me in the minutes where Jack Smith was approved by the Senate.


Was never confirned and should never have been assigned. This was probably the biggest news of the day.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:47 pm to
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Was never confirned and should never have been assigned.

Not required per USSC precedent. This isn't a new precedent, either.

If the USSC wants to overrule their prior precedent, they can, but I imagine that's unlikely.
Posted by Spawn
Berlin
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:55 pm to
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16467 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:02 pm to
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"I was opposed to the totalitarian police state, except when I'm defending them"


Here's to hoping he needs a totalitarian police state and it's not there.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102330 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:04 pm to
Cool. They gonna do anything about it or just bitch when the cameras are ruined on and then post some stern letters on twitter.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:06 pm to
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Cool. They gonna do anything about it

Until the Supreme Court reverses a precedent that's almost 50 years old, they can't do anything
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38370 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:29 pm to
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Until the Supreme Court reverses a precedent that's almost 50 years old, they can't do anything
You got disbarred during the Trump administration and they wouldn't help you. Prove me wrong!
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17965 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:43 pm to
I’ll certainly take Massie’s word for it because I don’t know much about the process.

Now, what are they gonna do?
Posted by Jack Daniel
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:15 pm to
At the end that was a smile of, “I’m caught and they still can’t do shite to me”
Posted by tigerfan 64
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Member since Sep 2016
6469 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:16 pm to
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Legal precedent

So which other SCs were established without congressional approval (creating this legal precedence)?
Massie claims Smiths office is unconstitutional.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:33 pm to
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So which other SCs were established without congressional approval (creating this legal precedence)?

Read the case I posted for one, and it describes the history and precedent.

Mueller was the last one they tried this tactic on and they got bounced unanimously at the DC COA

LINK

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The D.C. Circuit’s ruling is the fifth federal court decision in recent months to uphold Mueller’s authority.


Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the U.S. District Court in Washington rejected Miller’s arguments last year, although she wrote that his attorney raised “legitimate questions.”

U.S. District Court Judges Amy Berman Jackson in Washington and T.S. Ellis III in Alexandria, Va., also turned aside somewhat narrower challenges to Mueller in separate criminal cases he brought against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

And another D.C.-based jurist, Judge Dabney Friedrich, rebuffed a similar legal attack on Mueller mounted by a Russian company the special counsel had charged with scheming to use impersonation, fake social media accounts and other deceptive tactics to interfere in the 2016 election, chiefly on behalf of Trump.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 8:38 pm
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