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Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:20 pm to 1897
If the Government didn't constantly lie to the American People, the people would be much less likely to question and look for conspiracy theories.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:23 pm to Friedbrie
Mike Johnson should be out calling for a congressional appointment of a special investigator. This is the perfect example of when the opposing party to the Executive branch should have the authority to run a parallel investigation and have access to all the same information as the executive branch agencies.
The current DOJ has multiple indictments and prosecutions of Trump, the FBI is under the DOJ, Trump is a Threat to the current Home Land Security Director policies should be elected, Homeland Security of over the SS who allowed the shot to be taken. They are all compromised and all have a stake in protecting their failures.
To quote the infirmed, "LOOK MAN, THE IDEA" that the current executive level can appoint an independent investigator to bring forth the fact and truth of this assassination attempt is beyond comprehensible. It is on the same level of incomprehensible as all the failures that led up to the shooting. So they appoint someone that will give them the answers they want, brush the bad stuff under the rug, write a report and say we found no responsibilities on anyone.
There are many very qualified people outside the executive and political control that can investigate this properly.
The current DOJ has multiple indictments and prosecutions of Trump, the FBI is under the DOJ, Trump is a Threat to the current Home Land Security Director policies should be elected, Homeland Security of over the SS who allowed the shot to be taken. They are all compromised and all have a stake in protecting their failures.
To quote the infirmed, "LOOK MAN, THE IDEA" that the current executive level can appoint an independent investigator to bring forth the fact and truth of this assassination attempt is beyond comprehensible. It is on the same level of incomprehensible as all the failures that led up to the shooting. So they appoint someone that will give them the answers they want, brush the bad stuff under the rug, write a report and say we found no responsibilities on anyone.
There are many very qualified people outside the executive and political control that can investigate this properly.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:24 pm to IAmNERD
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Yall can go off because some Rep said it, but he wasn't up there 20 minutes.
If it was 20 minutes or 2 or 3 minutes does not change the incredible missteps mad by the Secret Service. They should control all high ground in the area, especially within 130 yards. Even a less than competent marksman can make that shot. Law Enforcement was notified well before the shots were fired and failed to act. At least check out the rooftop where multiple people saw the shooter go. Then to keep Trump onsite for as long as they did was frankly reckless. If not intentional, the lack of competence is alarming. So take your pick, it was either an intentional lack of action or the Secret Service assigned the worst people in their agency to his detail...
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:24 pm to IAmNERD
You are coming across as severely autistic to the point of meltdown over something you can’t prove one way or the other
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:27 pm to LSU Bayou Jim
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If it was 20 minutes or 2 or 3 minutes does not change the incredible missteps mad by the Secret Service.
No shite. I'm only speaking to the guy on a cable news show spewing nonsense.
I think it was a coordinated effort that many heads should roll for. frick me for stepping out of lockstep.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:27 pm to Rip Torner
Neat.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:28 pm to Timeoday
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He is a pretty serious, no nonsense dude.
Ehh, he came off like a pussy. He implied it was intentional, and then he spent the rest of the interview ducking that. He should have said that the weakening of Trump's security detail - due to shifting resources to cover Jill Biden, and due to DEI recruiting of clearly unqualified agents - seems like an intentional effort to put a weak security team around Donald Trump, the most threatened man in the world.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:29 pm to Friedbrie
THIS POST WAS REMOVED.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:31 pm to Penrod
He should have hit back on her harder.
Yes. I think there’s a chance of that. Otherwise you have to believe in the complete incompetence of the SS and that may indeed be the case. We will know after the investigation. I won’t avoid talking about all possibilities because it makes you uncomfortable.
Yes. I think there’s a chance of that. Otherwise you have to believe in the complete incompetence of the SS and that may indeed be the case. We will know after the investigation. I won’t avoid talking about all possibilities because it makes you uncomfortable.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:34 pm to IAmNERD
I think he just misspoke (which isn’t good either).
He says “up to 20 minutes+ on the roof…making its way” which I think he meant to say “making his way onto the roof for 20 plus minutes”
That is consistent with the news that broke last night that Crooks was seen around the building, looking through the rangefinder, etc 20+ minutes before the shooting. He was then up on the roof for 2-3 minutes
He says “up to 20 minutes+ on the roof…making its way” which I think he meant to say “making his way onto the roof for 20 plus minutes”
That is consistent with the news that broke last night that Crooks was seen around the building, looking through the rangefinder, etc 20+ minutes before the shooting. He was then up on the roof for 2-3 minutes
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:37 pm to TigersBucs
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I thought CNN was " fake news"? Now it's ok?
They realized their ratings were in the toilet and needed to make a few changes. I have noticed they moved a little toward center since the debate; they had no choice but to report the truth after that. It could have been game over if they stayed on the track they were on.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:38 pm to IAmNERD
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bullshite. There are multiple videos. He was not up there for 20 minutes. That's 18 minutes before Trump even took the stage.
I think the confusion I see here is how long he was IDd as suspicious vs how long he was on the roof. It’s been reported that local law enforcement in the AGR building spotted him 30 minutes prior to the shooting. Their attempts to locate him were unsuccessful. The question then is why was President Trump allowed to go on stage until TMC was located. Someone should have communicated the potential threat to the SS so the start of Trump’s appearance on stage was delayed.
Suspect IDd as Suspicious Person by Local Law Enforcement 30 Minutes Before Shooting
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United States Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle made the remark in an interview that aired on ABC News just hours after Fox News Digital reported that a local law enforcement officer spotted a suspicious man carrying a range-finder just 30 minutes before Saturday’s attempted assassination in Butler. That officer reported the sighting to state police, a law enforcement source said. He took a photo, and there was a discussion about whether what he was carrying was a pair of binoculars to try and see the rally better. But then a few minutes into Trump's remarks, the would-be assassin — identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks, 20 — began shooting, according to authorities. "I'm being told that the shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion. Units started responding to seek that individual out," Cheatle told ABC News. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president."
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:40 pm to LSUChamps03
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The question then is why was President Trump allowed to go on stage until TMC was located.
Absolutely question number 1 that the SS and any other agency who was there needs to answer. Then there's a long list after that.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:46 pm to IAmNERD
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Sure but I'm almost positive everyone has seen it and is just jumping on this because "one of us" said it. You can search my post history and see that I believe something is rotten here, but there's no point in lying. Especially on a platform like CNN where they will play that over and over and shout "look at these conspiracy theorists".
I'm just curious, what about that video gives proof that he wasn't up there for 20+ minutes? It proves he was up there a couple of minutes before shooting but doesn't show one way or the other if he was there during the time before that.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:54 pm to TigersBucs
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I thought CNN was " fake news"? Now it's ok?
It's an interview with a sitting congressman who happens to be an expert on the subject.
That this stumps you is kind of funny.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:56 pm to TigersBucs
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I thought CNN was " fake news"? Now it's ok?
You also thought your dumbass statement was a good gotcha.' You were wrong about one of those thoughts. And interview with the guy where he is speaking for himself versus some talking head pundit propagandist babbling on and gaslighting is different. Use your brain, nerd.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:02 pm to IAmNERD
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I mean, there's multiple synchronized videos floating around to show it's not true in the slightest. Hell, that's more than double the time Trump was on stage speaking . Don't say it if you're that unaware of the timeline.
There are mutliple accounts that the shooter was there minutes and spotted and authorities failed to take action for minutes while he climbed up, shimmied across the roof, got into place and started firing shots. It was WAY too long for him not to be spotted and dealt with before ever having a chance to fire shots off.
That's the fricking point. Who gives a shite that he got the time frame wrong. In fact, the shooter was spotted in the area long before that. So, he could have been referencing the total time that it was known now that the shooter was on the premises before ultimately firing the shots off.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:04 pm to IAmNERD
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IAmNERD
Name checks out.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:08 pm to Timeoday
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The SS is not incompetent.
They can be both.
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