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re: Reminder “NATO Expansion” is Russian propaganda
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:06 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:06 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No.
You ignored the sentence just preceding the one you quoted.
I simply believe those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
It's likely that a country which suffered such catastrophic human and material loss at the hands of a Western Invader might share such a belief, regardless of timeframe.
It is also possible that a country would feel threatened by an adversary flying nuclear capable bombers 12mi from its borders during NATO exercises. Would a sane person consider nuclear bombers a defensive weapon? Yet there they are, airborne within eyesight of Russia during a NATO military exercise.
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Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Structure my life? No.
100% on the schizophrenic person. Do you structure your life around the unreasonable demands of the insane?
If I'm walking with MsNC at night and spot Hannibal Lecter standing on the sidewalk ahead, I'll walk to the other side of the street. No harm, no foul.
I'm not a big believer in assuming risk with no hope of reward. What was the US reward in bringing Ukraine into NATO?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:14 am to AFATiger
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Don’t fall for that lie. NATO did not expand. Countries in Eastern Europe willingly decided to apply to join to be a part of NATO. They agreed to defend us and vice versa, with a unanimous vote of all current members countries.
So you are saying NATO voted to expand?
And none of these countries can defend themselves, much less the US. That’s why they voted to join and hide behind us, my question is what do we get out of it?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:15 am to AFATiger
The current CIA director, a former CIA director, and several academics have said through the years that Ukraine to NATO is their line in the sand. We knew. But, we'd probably rather wage a proxy war in Ukraine and bleed out Russia than have peace. Oh, and the sweet cash for our political elites sitting on Ukrainian companies was too good to turn down.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:18 am to Charlie Bags
quote:yes.
Remember that our own government will lie to your face.
also remember that our own government will
weaponize governmental agencies,
threaten,
coerce,
attack,
rob foundational freedoms from,
Steal elections,
and manipulate its own people as ours has done the last 14 years.
There are no good guys in this Democrat Party and the Republicans who choose to join them or look the other way
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:20 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
It is also possible that a country would feel threatened by an adversary flying nuclear capable bombers 12mi from its borders during NATO exercises. Would a sane person consider nuclear bombers a defensive weapon? Yet there they are, airborne within eyesight of Russia during a NATO military exercise.
Again, this conflict and the ongoing NK situation show that nukes aren't an offensive threat but are a defensive cheat code instead.
Does Russia truly believe they're under threat of an unprovoked nuclear bombing? Seriously?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:20 am to AFATiger
quote:
Don’t fall for that lie. NATO did not expand.
Are you a MORON???
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:21 am to NC_Tigah
Getting France to join in 49 paved the way to the Vietnam War
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:22 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
What was the US reward in bringing Ukraine into NATO?
Clearly smaller countries need collective protection against insane states with irrational beliefs.
Look at the disruption in the worldwide economy due to Russia's behaviors. Peace means more trade. War interrupts trade.
Trade is a vital component of the West and why we're the most advanced grouping in the world, socially and economically.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:22 am to beerJeep
quote:
There is no “they will defend us” scenario. There are only “we defend them” scenarios.
And yet, the United States is the only NATO member to invoke Article V, and all 26 of them came running.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:24 am to AFATiger
The fact this utterly retarded post has received 11 upvotes is a reflection of the state of the US public education system.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:27 am to Bearcat90
You see all of that red in 1955, that is why NATO still exists. It is fair to suggest that if there was no NATO, the Russians would by this time be trying to regain some of that red.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:27 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
It is also possible that a country would feel threatened by an adversary flying nuclear capable bombers 12mi from its borders during NATO exercises. Would a sane person consider nuclear bombers a defensive weapon? Yet there they are, airborne within eyesight of Russia during a NATO military exercise.
That situation is not new, and has existed at least since the 1950’s and definitely since 2004. Russia shares a maritime border with Alaska and Turkey, and the Baltic states plus Poland have been in NATO for two decades. Russia’s Arctic coast has always had these concerns.
Russia wants Ukraine to be pro-Moscow but don’t pretend like it’s about the abstract possibility of NATO aircraft coming near Russia. They do that constantly around Russia’s borders in the Baltic and the Arctic already and have for decades. Russia does the same thing to Europe and the United States.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:29 am to Indefatigable
quote:
That situation is not new, and has existed at least since the 1950’s and definitely since 2004. Russia shares a maritime border with Alaska and Turkey, and the Baltic states plus Poland have been in NATO for two decades. Russia’s Arctic coast has always had these concerns.
Russia wants Ukraine to be pro-Moscow but don’t pretend like it’s about the abstract possibility of NATO aircraft coming near Russia. They do that constantly around Russia’s borders in the Baltic and the Arctic already and have for decades. Russia does the same thing to Europe and the United States.
Naw, dude.
Russia is legitimately afraid that a NATO country will nuke Russia, unprovoked. Totally legit and/or rational fear.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:32 am to Indefatigable
quote:
And yet, the United States is the only NATO member to invoke Article V, and all 26 of them came running.
And yet, they weren’t needed. Pray tell, how much of an impact did the Belgian chocolate soldiers have? How about the 10 Montenegrins? I’m sure the 25 Luxembourgians (?) played an integral part in combat missions.
Like I said, the day that we ACTUALLY REQUIRE NATO countries to ACTUALLY come to our defense, we have already lost.
9/11 was a terrorist attack, not a full scale invasion of the United States of America.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
we're the most advanced grouping in the world, socially
It’s absolute fricking poison and most of the countries of the world hate it. Hell, most people in this country hate it. Marxists are pushing it with malicious intent
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Only a physcopath would be worried about the west invading
Unless your country has useful minerals or a sufficiently large population/economy to threaten Western Hegemony. Russia doesn’t have either of those things, oh wait.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:36 am to beerJeep
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9/11 was a terrorist attack, not a full scale invasion of the United States of America.
Cool. Other than aliens, there will never be a full scale invasion of the United States. Just like there will never be a full scale invasion of China, Russia, or India for that matter. So you can sleep ok tonight, none of the NATO countries will touch you.
quote:
And yet, they weren’t needed. Pray tell, how much of an impact did the Belgian chocolate soldiers have? How about the 10 Montenegrins? I’m sure the 25 Luxembourgians (?) played an integral part in combat missions.
Minimize their individual contributions all you want. But non-US NATO forces took 1/3rd of the casualties in Afghanistan.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 7:39 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:38 am to xxTIMMYxx
quote:
It’s absolute fricking poison and most of the countries of the world hate it. Hell, most people in this country hate it.
Your priming is showing
That's not a comment on wokeness. People can vote freely, own property, sell property, advance social classes, etc.
You get outside the west and a few select countries in east Asia and Oceania, and those sorts of actions become much more rare.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:40 am to Srobi14
quote:
Unless your country has useful minerals or a sufficiently large population/economy to threaten Western Hegemony. Russia doesn’t have either of those things, oh wait.
Russia, like the US, China, and a few other countries, cannot be occupied. We couldn't occupy Iraq, so it would take an even bigger bout of insanity to try to show that Napoleon and Hitler weren't examples we should pay attention to.
Also, Russia has a shite economy and is no threat to Western hegemony.
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