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re: Reminder “NATO Expansion” is Russian propaganda
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:46 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:46 am to Indefatigable
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Cool. Other than aliens, there will never be a full scale invasion of the United States. Just like there will never be a full scale invasion of China, Russia, or India for that matter. So you can sleep ok tonight, none of the NATO countries will touch you.
Which is exactly why I said there is no instance where we will depend on NATO for our actual defense. It is a one way street.
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So you can sleep ok tonight, none of the NATO countries will touch you.
No shite. That would be like me being afraid of my cousins 1 year old child.
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Minimize their individual contributions all you want. But non-US NATO forces took 1/3rd of the casualties in Afghanistan.
they were completely unnecessary deaths. It sucks that they died for nothing. 
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Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:How many wars has this particular insane state with irrational beliefs found itself in subsequent to the end of the cold war? BTW for clarity, I'm talking about Russia, not the US.
insane states with irrational beliefs.
But for grins, when you compile the list, compare it to the same for the US.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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We have us in Iraq who else?
Yes Iraq, Yougoslavia, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, Yemen nearly every South American country has a covert op to destabilize and try and install US puppets. (Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, chili, Cuba, Venezuela the same as we did in Croatia, Georgia and most recently Ukraine)
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:53 am to NC_Tigah
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How many wars has this particular insane state with irrational beliefs found itself in subsequent to the end of the cold war? BTW for clarity, I'm talking about Russia, not the US.
We're on #3 since the US invaded Iraq, and that's not including severe interference in the stans
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But for grins, when you compile the list, compare it to the same for the US.
We invaded Iraq without UN approval
Afghanistan had full support of the UN (which included Russia and China). The OG Iraq had full support of the UN, too.
The Balkan conflict had full support of the UN
So you have to go back to what, Grenada in 1983?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:And that did not stop us from trying.
We couldn't occupy Iraq...
Just let this go.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:56 am to Srobi14
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Yougoslavia,
UN approval
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Bosnia
UN approval
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Afghanistan
UN approval
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Lybia
UN approval
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Syria
We didn't invade Syria
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Yemen
Saudi Arabian-Iran conflict
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nearly every South American country has a covert op to destabilize and try and install US puppets.
Oh so we're using a very expansive definition of "invasion", I see
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:58 am to Indefatigable
quote:Of course it's new. Russians flying bombers up and down the US west coast would entail about a 24hr flight time. NATO bombers in Kiev doing the same might not take 24 minutes. Don't be obtuse.
That situation is not new, and has existed at least since the 1950’s and definitely since 2004.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
UN approval doesn’t mean shite. We run everything and bend countries to our will
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:08 am to NC_Tigah
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NATO bombers in Kiev doing the same might not take 24 minutes. Don't be obtuse.
NATO bombers can already skirt Russian airspace without Ukraine, and have been for decades. Pretending that is a legitimate new concern that applies to Ukraine specifically is just laughable.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 8:09 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:12 am to xxTIMMYxx
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UN approval doesn’t mean shite.
Uh, yes it does.
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We run everything and bend countries to our will
That's why we got UN approval for the 2003 invasion in Iraq...
Also, Russia has veto power. So we "bend Russia to our will"?
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 8:13 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm about to have to get on the road so I'm going to clarify something before more uneducated talking points reply to me.
I'm not justifying US interference in other states via clandestine methods. I am arguing, correctly, that these endeavors are nothing like Russia invading a sovereign state who was not aggressive towards Russia in any meaningful way, in violation of international law and without worldwide support. The US invasion of Iraq? Yes that is comparable. UN-approved missions? Not comparable.
Also, me dismissing the clandestine operations is not an implicit approval by me. Just as me not getting into every atrocity involved in 2003 Iraq doesn't mean that I supported the war. I don't support any of them, and I imagine a large portion of you trying to shite on the US behavior did support Iraq in real time. I didn't support the Libyan fiasco, either (and even called it Obama's Iraq on this board multiple times).
I have had a consistent view of foreign policy and international relations and my arguments have not needed revising or apologies. How many of you can say the same thing?
I'm not justifying US interference in other states via clandestine methods. I am arguing, correctly, that these endeavors are nothing like Russia invading a sovereign state who was not aggressive towards Russia in any meaningful way, in violation of international law and without worldwide support. The US invasion of Iraq? Yes that is comparable. UN-approved missions? Not comparable.
Also, me dismissing the clandestine operations is not an implicit approval by me. Just as me not getting into every atrocity involved in 2003 Iraq doesn't mean that I supported the war. I don't support any of them, and I imagine a large portion of you trying to shite on the US behavior did support Iraq in real time. I didn't support the Libyan fiasco, either (and even called it Obama's Iraq on this board multiple times).
I have had a consistent view of foreign policy and international relations and my arguments have not needed revising or apologies. How many of you can say the same thing?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:24 am to Indefatigable
quote:Same equation. Long trip. Tons of warning. Completely different.
NATO bombers can already skirt Russian airspace without Ukraine, and have been for decades. Pretending that is a legitimate new concern that applies to Ukraine specifically is just laughable.
But your opinion on that, or mine really is unimportant. Different people, countries, regions have different perceptions. A girl with flowing hair and a cute skirt in the west ... no problem. Same scenario in the ME, she gets lashed to a post and brutally whipped. Is the latter appropriate? Not by my way of thinking. But Muslims think differently. So, what will happen if a young lady decides she is above the law and can test an unfairly drawn bright red line just because she's an entitled American?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Did we? Actually?
That's why we got UN approval for the 2003 invasion in Iraq...
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
DWho cares about the UN, 90 percent of them were US vessel states and the rest too weak to stop Us.
And yes we did bomb Syria, sent troops to “protect the oilfields” and sent special ops forces there to train the “moderate terroists” . Your missing the point, the question is why anyone would be afraid of the West invading, we can argue about the details of the multitude of conflicts all day but the fear is not without merit.
And no we didn’t get UN approval for Yugoslavia. It was a nato action without UN approval
Why just make up things without looking them up at least first.
And yes we did bomb Syria, sent troops to “protect the oilfields” and sent special ops forces there to train the “moderate terroists” . Your missing the point, the question is why anyone would be afraid of the West invading, we can argue about the details of the multitude of conflicts all day but the fear is not without merit.
And no we didn’t get UN approval for Yugoslavia. It was a nato action without UN approval
Why just make up things without looking them up at least first.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 8:53 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Now you're conflating General Assembly votes with those of the Security Council. The UNSC did not approve those actions you addressed earlier. The GA did.
Also, Russia has veto power. So we "bend Russia to our will"?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:33 am to NC_Tigah
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Did we? Actually?
No that was sarcasm (use of ellipsis)
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:36 am to NC_Tigah
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The UNSC did not approve those actions you addressed earlier. The GA did.
Um which?
The Balkans, Afghanistan, Libya, etc were UNSC resolutions
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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No that was sarcasm (use of ellipsis)
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Also Russia has veto power, we bend them to our will
We did from the 90s to early 2000’s while they were recovering from USSR collapse.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:49 am to Srobi14
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We did from the 90s to early 2000’s while they were recovering from USSR collapse.
In what way?
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