re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation

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This ignorant thread is still going?

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Yeah, you already said that. Just a couple posts up too.

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There's no inconsistency at all

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So you are claiming then that the church fathers by and large supported a creation model and timeline that is drastically different than what the RCC teaches today, and that in doing so, there is NO inconsistency? You’re going to have to flesh that one out, because you are mocking me for what the vast majority of the Church has believed

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we know what the Bible says about the Flat Earth and we know that it tracks with the ancient cosmology of those civilizations.

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Do we? That's like saying we “know” the Bible teaches that the Nephilim were giant offspring of humans and angels. Debate on that exists, so we don’t “know” that.

Regardless of what you think you know, there is much more at stake with the age of the earth and the creation account than the shape of the earth. They are not topics of equal importance.

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The only inconsistency resides with the Young Earthers and how they explain away the Flat Earthers. Those who are both Young Earth and Flat Earth are consistent.

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You could do better at supporting your claims. You need to explain how it is consistent to be a “flat earther” as well as a “young earther”.

Yes. Dense you are.
You don’t need to tell me about your religion.
Listen to what the people are saying.

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Only the ignorant atheists seem surprised.

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I owe you an apology. I realized you're right.

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Nope

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Sure, you can do some mental gymnastics. I’d be shocked if wackatimesthree would engage in that though. Completely shocked.

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Then do me the courtesy I afforded you and withdraw your claim that I made straw man argument saying this.

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The straw man thing was about you misconstruing my comments about there are “a lot” or fun fundamentalists who believe the earth is flat into (paraphrasing you now) it being a majority position. You admitted it. We are good on that. That was your only straw man against me. It’s now moot.

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If you force a false binary, giving options that support your argument either way, then you are creating a straw man. You and I will disagree on whether you are forcing a false binary.

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Man I am losing track of what my argument is. I think it was if you reject the flat earth cosmology you are rejecting the word of God. “You” here being not necessarily just Crimson K but anyone. Not trying to be rude but I still don’t think you know what a straw man is. I’m not misrepresenting someone’s argument or position and then attacking the distorted version. It’s more of a statement. If “anyone” rejects biblical flat earth cosmology then they are rejecting the words and ideas that their deity meant for them to understand - if they believe the Bible to be divinely inspired - because the Israelites who wrote the Bible (and even all their surrounding cultures) all believed in a flat earth cosmology with a firmament in the sky holding back a heavenly ocean.

I can rephrase - If anyone rejects the literal reading that the biblical authors wrote, then they are literally rejecting the literal words on the parchment.

I can rephrase/summarize: The correct way to understand biblical cosmology is to take a literal reading of the cosmological verses, just as the ancient Israelites would have understood it.

It’s simply my opinion because it best fits the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence available to us. Is it the only opinion? No! Believe whatever you want. But for those who want to understand what the biblical authors meant, the way they understood cosmology, one should take a literal reading. No straw man.

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As a simple example, a believer who does not believe in literal inerrancytive? would have absolutely zero problem with this “contradiction.”

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Plenty of believers dismiss the Bible as “metaphorical” (flat earth cosmology) and then believe metaphorical stories literally (talking snake and tree of knowledge in Eden).

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A view of the Bible as a book of wisdom focused on religious ideas contains scientific errors. Ok. A person writing from a limited scientific knowledge base making mistakes in cosmology is no surprise

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However, a divinely inspired book could - perhaps should - be free from errors. Imagine if the Bible would have accurately stated the earth rotates ever day and revolves around the sun. That would be strong evidence of divine authorship or inspiration as no one in that time period including the Greeks understood the solar system correctly. Imagine how powerful that would be to modern believers. So if God is all powerful and all knowing, does he love us enough to give us evidence for his existence so we can worship him? Nope. Truth be told he’s a figment of the imagination.

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I know exactly zero people, whether secular or religious, who hold this view. You made a claim that I asked you to support. (It was one of three things I asked, but you only responded to this). You did so with evidence that did NOT support your view.

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I disagree. You might not like the evidence I presented, but it is evidence. Maybe it wasn’t enough to convince you. That doesn’t make me a lazy pos who makes claims without supporting details. You just weren’t convinced and you maybe don’t know how to research the matter adequately yourself. Remember your claim? I said a lot of fundamentalists believed in the flat earth biblical cosmology. Now I don’t want to make a straw man and misrepresent you, but you should go back and look at your original response to my “a lot” comment. Later on I attempted to explain that the flat earth dogma was not science based but based on religious dogma, which you also seemed to not be convinced of.

Let me give you another bit of evidence. You might not like it or it might not be convincing, but I don’t think you can say that I’m not providing supporting details.

YouGov 2018 Poll: Most flat earthers consider themselves very religious

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You have moved to, I should investigate further to prove your point. Then you say, look man you should just verify it. SO, I did. I looked at a website called the flat earth society. It is a mix of a variety of religions (including Muslims shockingly) and a strong atheist group.

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Sure there are atheist flat earthers. I never said there weren’t. But listen. The biblical fundamentalists who are flat earthers are not flat earthers because they are convinced by real actual scientific principles, but they are convinced due to their own dogmas and they realize and understand the ancient Israelites really believed in a flat earth, and in there mind whatever is in the bible is the truth despite what can empirically be verified scientifically.

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And saying that if I don’t verify your claim after already putting in some time trying is not a valid response.

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Hopefully this survey does something for you, because I’m done. There were about 250,000,000 adults in the USA in 2018, and if 2% of them were staunch flat earthers, that’s 5,000,000 people. That’s a lot of people. And there is a very strong correlation because the flat earthers and being “very religious” compared to the total sample size. Hope that helps!

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I'm glad to see someone else walking a similar path in trying to understand the nature of the divine. You're clearly better equipped to articulate these ideas, and you've done the research to back them up with clear, logical explanations—things I often grasp intuitively but struggle to express well. If you had a newsletter, I'd subscribe. You're doing solid work. I enjoy your posts and discourse. Thank you.

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Thanks for the positive feedback.