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re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:38 pm to Crimson K
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:38 pm to Crimson K
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I will have to look up the specific verses, but Moses is specifically referred to as elohim in the exodus story as God's representative to pharaoh.
He is most certainly not, but I can understand why you might think that because of the common English translations.
Exodus 4:16 literal English from Masoretic Text:
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And he shall speak for you to the people, and he shall be for you as a mouth, and you shall be to him for elohim.
And the same verse in the most literal English from the Septuagint, written by bilingual (Hebrew and Greek) scribes in Greek:
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And he shall speak for you to the people, and he shall be your mouth, but you shall be to him the things pertaining to ton Theon.
Elohim is referring to the god of Israel - Yahweh. Ton Theon “the God” is also referring to the god of Israel. The author isn’t calling Moses to be equal to the God, or a god.
So one I did forget about was Exodus 7:1. That’s perhaps the strongest argument to be honest.
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And Yahweh said to Moses, 'See, I have made you elohim to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.'
LXX:
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Behold, I have made you theon to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.
So you must use your interpretative lens. Do you think Yahweh is telling Moses he will make him a divine spirit being who can traverse the heavens and ride the clouds, or is the author using figurative language? The key words are “to Pharoah”, meaning from the perspective of the Pharoah (which Pharoah?
) but not necessarily to anything or anyone else and not in the literal sense of becoming a divine being. quote:
Also, in a couple of other places in Torah, the judges for legal cases are called elohim
This is incorrect.
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which is why the disputed Psalm 82 passage is sometimes interpreted that way
It’s interpreted that way because the newly “monotheistic” Jews during the time of the Roman occupation didn’t like the fact that their scriptures contained a multitude of deities.
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I would argue "the heavenly beings" is what should be understood
Correct, and this is the scholarly consensus.
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:39 pm to AlterEd
This thread is about a meeting, which never took place. You can keep telling me I don't know, all you want, but this has already been proven false. But look who I'm talking to. You believe in tons of nonsense like this.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Judaism did begin as monotheism. It started with Abraham, who likely wasn't a monotheist until God appeared to him and told him to move to Canaan. God called a people to be his own out of the polytheistic nations to worship Him and Him alone. This is what He taught them and what they initially did. Throughout their history as a people, they intermarried with other tribes and nations that worshipped other gods and made alters for worshipping those gods. God punished them over and over again because of it.quote:I agree. Foo does not.
To be fair, what we now know as Judaism didn't begin as monotheist.
That wording was intentional
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:42 pm to AlterEd
quote:I'm not denying any aspects of the Bible. I'm denying interpretations of it by those who are trying to interpret the Bible based on other non-biblical standards.
Maybe. Maybe not. It's kind of interesting looking at the reaction of Christians to this information. On the one hand they'll tell you that the Bible is the truth and then on the other they'll deny certain aspects of it that challenge their worldview.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:You are arguing from a purely naturalistic worldview while I am not. You appear to use empiricism as your epistemological framework while I believe in supernatural revelation. You're essentially mocking me for not looking at the world through your irrational eyes. I'm OK with that.
And, remember, there can always be a "God's will" or "The devil" fallback position to explain why we don't have evidence.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:47 pm to AlterEd
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Jews who told the same stories.
Are these stories in the bible?
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And Abraham, who founded Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, came from Sumer.
Abraham did not found Judaism...he is the the great-grandfather of Judah...Jacob's son...one of the 12 sons which made up the 12 tribes.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:47 pm to MemphisGuy
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No... you really don't, at all. You just THINK you do. In reality, you know very little of what the Bible actually teaches.
The Bible teaches nothing. What is the Bible anyway? A collection of myths compiled from earlier myths on stone tablets and redacted by hundreds or thousands of scribes writing on goat skins. You can’t even tell what is “most original”. Is it the Greek Septuagint that the Christians used? There are multiple variant Septuagint manuscripts. The Masoretic text varies from the Septuagints and from the Dead Sea Scrolls fragments. Codex siniaticus and Codex Vaticanus (two of the oldest New Testaments) differ within the individual gospels and epistles and even the books contained within them.
The Bible teaches nothing. Only people teach, but it’s based on their dogmas and they only use the Bible when it is convenient to back up their dogmas. When “the Bible” doesn’t coincide with their worldview, they reject it.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:47 pm to Squirrelmeister
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He is most certainly not,
He most certainly is.
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Exodus 7:1 “Then the Lord said to Moses, ‘See, I have made you elohim [God/god] to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.’”
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:48 pm to AlterEd
quote:It's absurd to you because you haven't grasped the argument I'm making.
Or to explain how it was the Sumerians who twisted the stories they told first.
It's frickin absurd.
You assume that the one who recorded the story first is the one who created the story, and therefore all others who tell a similar story later on are merely copying and perverting the original.
I'm explaining that the Sumerians didn't create the story but were recounting a version of the original story that was within the memory as it was passed down throughout time. The Bible, then, tells the original story after the fact, because the eye-witness (God) provided the account to clarify what had been twisted over time.
You are stuck on chronology and are ignoring revelation, which is why you think it's absurd.
This post was edited on 6/2/26 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:49 pm to Metaloctopus
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This thread is about a meeting, which never took place. You can keep telling me I don't know, all you want, but this has already been proven false
No it hasn't. I would love to see you prove a negative. Many people have come forward saying they were there. One person denied it. Many others have said they have since received the same briefing.
Bitch and cry all you want. I don't care.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:50 pm to Squirrelmeister
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We know the biblical myth is taken from a tale of the flood of Shuruppak, which was a local event.
you don't know anything. You presume that is true, because you reject any notion that the Bible is actually revelation from God, so your explanation makes the most sense from your naturalistic worldview.Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:52 pm to AlterEd
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AlterEd
Did you just complain today about people not taking the time to read the whole post or watch a video you posted?
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:52 pm to FooManChoo
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FooManChoo
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:53 pm to Ailsa
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Are these stories in the bible?
Yes, they are.
1. The flood story
2. Creation of humanity from clay
3. The Garden of Eden
4. The Tower of Babel
5. Genesis 1
6. The infant saved from the river and raised to be a king.
7. A lot of the wisdom literature found in Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Job.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:54 pm to Squirrelmeister
In Deuteronomy 32:9, Yahweh is one of the lesser gods, inheriting his portion of the earth - Israel.
In Psalm 82, he takes control of the other lesser gods' inheritance because of how poorly they rules. This places him above the other gods. The Jews move from polytheism to henotheism.
In Exodous 6:2-3, the 2 gods that Israel were torn between, the historic god El and the newer warrior god Yahweh are combined into one God.
In Isaiah 40-45, written during the Babylonian captivity, we see that the Yahweh/El God has become the only God.
It was a very gradual process.
In Psalm 82, he takes control of the other lesser gods' inheritance because of how poorly they rules. This places him above the other gods. The Jews move from polytheism to henotheism.
In Exodous 6:2-3, the 2 gods that Israel were torn between, the historic god El and the newer warrior god Yahweh are combined into one God.
In Isaiah 40-45, written during the Babylonian captivity, we see that the Yahweh/El God has become the only God.
It was a very gradual process.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:55 pm to FooManChoo
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. The Bible, then, tells the original story after the fact,
It was written down/recorded from the very beginning.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:55 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Did you just complain today about people not taking the time to read the whole post or watch a video you posted?
I've long since given up on reading all of Foo's posts. And I explained why I'm not going to engage with people who want to quibble over translations of 6,000 year old texts. The word Elohim is a perfect example. You're wrong about it and so is Foo.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:57 pm to AlterEd
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Are these stories in the bible?
Yes, they are.
1. The flood story
2. Creation of humanity from clay
3. The Garden of Eden
4. The Tower of Babel
5. Genesis 1
6. The infant saved from the river and raised to be a king.
7. A lot of the wisdom literature found in Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Job.
We already have that in the bible...did the sumarian's write the same history?
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:58 pm to Ailsa
Over 1,000 years before.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:58 pm to Ailsa
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We already have that in the bible...did the sumarian's write the same history?
Good lord.
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