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re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation
Posted on 5/12/26 at 4:27 pm to RCDfan1950
Posted on 5/12/26 at 4:27 pm to RCDfan1950
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Still a 'Mexican Standoff' as it were, with each ultimately going to their Subjective version of Reality.
A standoff indeed- by design (IMO). To remove free will is to remove faith and love. To remove the ability to doubt is to remove free will. If by version of reality, you mean perception of reality- I agree.
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Precursor', Scripturally defined as "The Word"
Interesting qualifier; in the sense that scripture communicates unimaginably complex ideas, through limited language, to beings of limited understanding.
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God, The Son.
Awareness would, by default, becomes a 'Self'; as such becomes aware of Its existence. I.e., "I Am, the I Am"
I was with you (and mostly still am) up to this point. Jesus is God. “I Am” means… pick a day, past, present or future- and “I Am.” I Am, means there was never a time when I was not. I get your idea about Him always existing as an abstract idea that would manifest. Do you have any support for that theory?
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A derivative of God the Father, and therein subordinate, but truthfully being "one with the Father" nonetheless. As the Biblical Jesus Christ rightly described Himself.
I think “eternally begotten” is the more accurate description, here. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit- in perfect communion from eternity past.
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The Holy Spirit, of Truth.
The "Moving Power" of Truth
I like that.
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Free Will must exist such that God cannot be accused (via Lucifer's Idea) of creating sub-ordinate Entities which are forced to worship It/Him for the cause of selfish/narcissistic/egoic intent...over and above that of Love. God's Love for the Children rules supreme, as opposed to any desire of God to be 'worshipped'. It takes TWO to experience Love; therein the Spiritual impetus for the creation of The/A Son.
That was beautifully said. Just that one nagging distinction- God didn’t create Jesus.
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But I think the day is close that we will clearly see this. And those who value Love over Self will get Love, and those who choose Self will forfeit Love. All by relative degree; therein the 'Judgment'. That is not God judging or controlling Man, that is God (in service to The Word) gifting Man in choosing their own Reality. To each their own.
I don’t think you’re wrong. I don’t agree with everything you say, but I think it’s more of a translation issue than that we are opposed. You have an interesting perspective, and a talent for sharing it.
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:04 pm to AlterEd
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Again, it's the only way it makes any sense whatsoever.
There isn’t any appetite for such a thing in this thread or this forum.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:13 pm to Squirrelmeister
It's so irritating listening to people claim that they have the one true truth when it comes to matters of divinity. It's so frickin arrogant.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:20 pm to AlterEd
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It's so irritating listening to people claim that they have the one true truth when it comes to matters of divinity. It's so frickin arrogant.
True belief in Christ creates an absence of arrogance. And He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. It is what it is.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 5/12/26 at 9:07 pm to AlterEd
Im still waiting for the bible changing UFO revelation
Posted on 5/12/26 at 9:12 pm to Prodigal Son
I’ve struggled to understand for my whole life, Squirrel, as that seemed to be the most worthwhile thing for the short duration of this particular life. I have no “support “ other than that Scripture says that “the truth bears witness “ and therefore those who “have eyes that see and ears that hear” will indeed understand these abstract ideas. If they so desire. And acting upon Truth will indeed ‘transform’ one’s perceptive bubble into a more heavenly’ vision.
I much appreciate your very learned critique. Re Jesus being “created “ by God The Father, I know that we both realize the affect of a Linear Universe in our attempts at imagining or describing a Non-Linear Empirical Universe. In the Creative Paradigm there is no ‘Time’ as the Godhead exist from Alpha to Omega.
The Scripture “In the BEGINNING was the Word…” defines The/An Idea as existing ‘before’ even the Godhead, and is therefore not related to Time (as all things exist concurrently) but more so as to a form of preeminence or authority. We can imagine ideas that do not exist in any form other than the Words required to describe particular ideas. And these Ideas are eternal and likely ‘The Rules’ wherein even God must abide by to exist. I think somewhere there is Scripture implying that there are things that even God cannot do; Sin may be one as I recall. But as having any “support” for that, I do not. I’m no Biblical scholar as you are.
For me, understanding fortifies my Faith. And since Faith and Belief (in an Idea) is the precursor to said Idea becoming (Subjective) Reality, I’ll take all I can get because I know EXACTLY where I want to go. I well remember Jesus saying to the sick lady when she asked to be healed “let it be according to your faith “. He could have healed her but chose to make an axiomatic point, for all of us Heaven seekers. He could tap us all on the head and make us pure, but then we’d have nothing if our own for our Father’s joy in our victory. Creation wasn’t about Him/It, it was for us and Love.
I think we seek and see the same Truth and it will become clearer in the coming times. For a new vision to exist, the current one must go away. Big time I suspect. I somewhat fear that “in the twinkle of an eye” ‘transformation’, but having sincerely asked for Jesus’s care, it’s not normal fear, but more of a poignant love for this life and all therein. I’m a romantic at heart.
God speed friend. Keep up the good work in bringing the heat. Love based.
I much appreciate your very learned critique. Re Jesus being “created “ by God The Father, I know that we both realize the affect of a Linear Universe in our attempts at imagining or describing a Non-Linear Empirical Universe. In the Creative Paradigm there is no ‘Time’ as the Godhead exist from Alpha to Omega.
The Scripture “In the BEGINNING was the Word…” defines The/An Idea as existing ‘before’ even the Godhead, and is therefore not related to Time (as all things exist concurrently) but more so as to a form of preeminence or authority. We can imagine ideas that do not exist in any form other than the Words required to describe particular ideas. And these Ideas are eternal and likely ‘The Rules’ wherein even God must abide by to exist. I think somewhere there is Scripture implying that there are things that even God cannot do; Sin may be one as I recall. But as having any “support” for that, I do not. I’m no Biblical scholar as you are.
For me, understanding fortifies my Faith. And since Faith and Belief (in an Idea) is the precursor to said Idea becoming (Subjective) Reality, I’ll take all I can get because I know EXACTLY where I want to go. I well remember Jesus saying to the sick lady when she asked to be healed “let it be according to your faith “. He could have healed her but chose to make an axiomatic point, for all of us Heaven seekers. He could tap us all on the head and make us pure, but then we’d have nothing if our own for our Father’s joy in our victory. Creation wasn’t about Him/It, it was for us and Love.
I think we seek and see the same Truth and it will become clearer in the coming times. For a new vision to exist, the current one must go away. Big time I suspect. I somewhat fear that “in the twinkle of an eye” ‘transformation’, but having sincerely asked for Jesus’s care, it’s not normal fear, but more of a poignant love for this life and all therein. I’m a romantic at heart.
God speed friend. Keep up the good work in bringing the heat. Love based.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 9:26 pm to Squirrelmeister
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There isn’t any appetite for such a thing in this thread or this forum.
Which then begs the question, why are you here?
I mean, we both know the answer to that, but why don't you just admit it?
Posted on 5/12/26 at 9:30 pm to wackatimesthree
A nothing burger once again! Nothing is being released
that we he not seen or heard before. Everyone stops falling for this crap.
that we he not seen or heard before. Everyone stops falling for this crap.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:20 pm to Prodigal Son
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Prodigal Son
Hey dude it’s been a long time since you and I actually conversed and I hope you are well.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:49 pm to Mo Jeaux
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How was his statement a lie?
None of them will give you an honest answer.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:50 pm to AlterEd
quote:I don’t think arrogance is the issue for those who believe truth claims. If it were, you would be displaying arrogance by judging those who claim to have the truth, since you would be doing the same thing by claiming you have the truth (that there is no one truth for divinity) over and against others.
It's so irritating listening to people claim that they have the one true truth when it comes to matters of divinity. It's so frickin arrogant.
Also, arrogance is an unjustified high perception of self. It isn’t arrogant to believe something as true. It would be arrogant to believe that something is true because you believe it, meaning the truth is based on you making it true, rather than it being true regardless of whether you believed it.
Jesus is either the only way to the Father or He is not. Believing that He is is trusting what He said, not exhibiting arrogance.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:15 pm to wackatimesthree
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This is why I will not engage you. A five second Google search (emphasis mine):quote:
Some early Christians and church fathers held the Book of Enoch in high regard, treating it as inspired or authoritative, though it was not universally accepted as canonical scripture.
I’d advise you to quit using google AI or whatever and read a book. Did you read the explanation I gave Foo about how when Jesus told the Sadducees they didn’t know the scripture or the power of God - that in the resurrection believers will be as the angels in heaven, not having wives? I quoted the Enoch verses that “Jesus” was referring to. Did you read my earlier post in this thread of some of the main 1 Enoch references in Paul’s letters, Jude, Peter, and the gospels?
Do you understand that historically and even today there isn’t a universally accepted canon of scripture amongst Israelites, Jews, and Christians? Do you realize that even today there are those who claim James and Peter were Judaizing false apostles/heretics who rejected Jesus’ “true” teachings of faith in him for a continuance of the Jewish law? And that there are those who believe Paul is the antichrist and the false prophet Jesus warned about because he rejected God’s law?
Of course you don’t realize that 1 Enoch was fundamental to the creation of Christianity, but realize that 1 Enoch was preserved by Christians, not rabbinic (post temple destruction) Judaism. That doesn’t give you a little bit of a hint that Christians thought 1 Enoch was scripture? Many of the nuttiest Christians today - the flat earthers - love 1 Enoch with a passion, and unlike many Christians on this site when the Bible says the earth is flat and there is a crystal dome - a firmament above us in the sky - they believe it instead of rejecting the word of God like most modern Christians.
The early Christians of the first and early second centuries didn’t really have an Old Testament canon. The Old Testament was appended to the Christian scriptures as a response to Markion of Sinope - the guy actually responsible for starting the first Christian Bible and compiling Paul’s letters. Markion rejected the Jewish scriptures, and since the Roman church excommunicated him and since he was so successful (more Christians were of his brand than of the Roman brand in the second century) the Roman Church added the Jewish “Old Testament” to the scripture. At that point the Romans said “hey what is the Jewish scripture? Let’s ask the Jews.” And they got the Old Testament we predominantly got today, though they mostly used the Septuagint Greek renderings they took the canon from the Jews… who precisely rejected 1 Enoch because it was a scripture the Christians valued so much and it was too Jesus-ey.
Christianity didn’t spring up from Phariseeic/Rabbinic Judaism. It arose from something like the Essene sect who preserved and valued 1 Enoch as scripture. Those are facts that you should deal with even though it might be inconvenient and unsettling for you. Later on a couple centuries later, the Christians (some of them, but not Tertullian) forgot their roots and adopted the “wrong” version/canon of Jewish scriptures while rejecting the scripture at the very foundation of their religion.
Pick up a history book or something written by a legitimate scholar of Christian origins. Maybe something like The Lost Prophet: The Book of Enoch and Its Influence on Christianity by Margaret Barker. You may learn something and better yourself. This applies not only to you but also the other arrogant dullards on this site.
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In short, you are a liar serving the Father of Lies
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:44 pm to FooManChoo
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Also, arrogance is an unjustified high perception of self. It isn’t arrogant to believe something as true. It would be arrogant to believe that something is true because you believe it, meaning the truth is based on you making it true, rather than it being true regardless of whether you believed it.
Posted on 5/13/26 at 12:13 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:I pity you. If you do not turn from your wicked rebellion against your creator, you will suffer unimaginable torment for eternity. I hope God opens your eyes before the end.
Squirrelmeister
Posted on 5/13/26 at 2:03 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I don’t think you are. You are attempting to discredit Christianity by declaring that the existence of aliens casts doubt on the Bible without showing why that would be. You are merely asserting that it would be problematic without proving it.
I'm using reality.
quote:You haven’t shown that the content of the Bible has come into question on this topic. That’s precisely why I asked what core doctrines would be overturned by the existence of aliens.
if the content Bible comes into question, you can't just default back to this. That's your rhetorical problem.
You're trying to assume away the very issue being discussed.
I just keep pointing it out over and over again.
All you’ve done is made a baseless assertion that the silence about aliens means anything would be possible, and logically speaking, that doesn’t follow. I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate your claim.
quote:Not at all. That is not a logical conclusion whatsoever.
Considering the Bible would have left out something so massive, this is where you have to land if you use logic
If aliens exist, then they would be other created beings, and the truth claims of the Bible would not change. Man would still be the only creatures made in the image of God to specially reflect His glory to creation, and man would still be the only creatures under obligation to the covenant of works (outside faith in Jesus) and benefiting from the covenant of grace through faith in Jesus.
You keep defaulting to a religion-shattering result if aliens exist but you fail to demonstrate how that is the case based on the other truth claims the Bible makes about God being the only God, and so on. You need to show your work here, especially since your use of “massive” needs to be defined and relayed back to its impact—or lack thereof—to the truth claims of the Bible.
quote:In order for your concern to have weight, you can’t just say that the Bible being “incomplete” (as if it must mention aliens for it to be “complete”; I reject that assertion) leaves open the possibility for additional truth claims, but you have to show that it creates contradictory truth claims. The existence of aliens would not contradict the existing truth claims the Bible makes, which is why I said it would be no different than new truth claims coming from Joseph Smith almost 200 years ago. You still need to show how the truth claims of the Bible would be contradicted.
Those "specific truth claims" would be part of an incomplete work which leaves open the possibility of successive "specific truth claims".
You might as well claim that the existence of the koala opens the door to possibility of other successive truth claims, because the Bible doesn’t mention them. It just doesn’t follow.
quote:As I keep pointing out to you, silence about aliens would not be an equivalent scenario to contradictory truth claims from other religions like Mormonism. You have to show how the truth claims of the Bible would be overturned by the existence of aliens, and you haven’t done that so far.
I specifically used those two as examples as they would perfectly fit into this new problem created. The Bible, being an admitted incomplete work in this scenario, would no longer prohibit successor religions from being correct, because whatever additions they create would fall into the same void of being left out as aliens.
quote:There is no admission of incompletion because such an admission would be a misunderstanding of why the Bible exists in the first place. The Bible is no more incomplete for not mentioning aliens as it is for not mentioning elephants, cars, or cellphones. It’s only when you assume that it should mention aliens that you can claim it is incomplete, but it isn’t.
This is the precise problem of admitting the Bible is so lacking in completion.
And as I keep saying, the absence of unnecessary information is not problematic.
quote:You are the one with a false assumption here. You assume that the Bible is imperfect for not mentioning aliens. You have to prove why aliens must be mentioned in the first place before saying that their absence makes the Bible imperfect.
You keep defaulting to the perfection of the Bible while ignoring this specific scenario makes the Bible objectively imperfect. That's why your defense fails every time. You're just trying to assume away the exact problem that's presented, and that's not logical.
In addition, you still haven’t proven that the direct contradictions of the Bible and truth claims by other religions today would be overturned by the existence of aliens. You can’t just assert that it “opens the door” without explaining how it does. The law of non-contradiction doesn’t go away magically if aliens exist.
Posted on 5/13/26 at 2:36 am to FooManChoo
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I pity you. If you do not turn from your wicked rebellion against your creator, you will suffer unimaginable torment for eternity.
Can we stop using this rhetoric?
Posted on 5/13/26 at 6:53 am to FooManChoo
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If you do not turn from your wicked rebellion against your creator, you will suffer unimaginable torment for eternity
And the reason you think that is because the early Christians took that imagery straight from 1 Enoch.
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5 Woe to you, ye sinners, when ye have died, If ye die in the wealth of your sins, And those who are like you say regarding you: ' Blessed are the sinners: they have seen all their days. 6 And how they have died in prosperity and in wealth, And have not seen tribulation or murder in their life; And they have died in honour, And judgement has not been executed on them during their life." 7 Know ye, that their souls will be made to descend into Sheol And they shall be wretched in their great tribulation. 8 And into darkness and chains and a burning flame where there is grievous judgement shall your spirits enter; And the great judgement shall be for all the generations of the world. Woe to you, for ye shall have no peace.
Posted on 5/13/26 at 6:53 am to Prodigal Son
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Of course not. Because they don’t exist.
This discussion presupposes they do exist, though.
This post was edited on 5/13/26 at 6:54 am
Posted on 5/13/26 at 6:56 am to Mo Jeaux
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Can we stop using this rhetoric?
He can’t help himself. John Calvin wrote an infinite loop into his code.
Posted on 5/13/26 at 7:10 am to FooManChoo
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I don’t think you are. You are attempting to discredit Christianity
Defensive a bit?
You're trying to attack the premise of the discussion because it would lead you to have to examine Christianity. This particular discussion cannot, at this moment, "attack "Christianity because the hinge upon which the discussion rests (revelation of organic, advanced alien life) hasn't even occurred.
Instead of discussing things within that paradigm, you're trying to attack it and twist it to get back to your default position. I just keep pointing out when you do this.
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hat would be fine and dandy if you were arguing with someone who used your own arbitrary standard, but Christians are to operate within a biblical framework.
And then you double down on that behavior.
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That being the case, “superior” is not based on intelligence, but on being and purpose, as I have said multiple times now.
And that distinction is irrelevant within the premise of this conversation.
No matter how much you try to change what is being discussed, it doesn't change what is being discussed.
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If I’m understanding you correctly, your entire argument is that if the Bible doesn’t specifically mention aliens, then it opens up the door to almost anything, including Mormonism and other religions.
That is exactly correct.
You're trying to respond by minimizing the impact of a more advanced, non-human, biological species capable of interstellar travel being revealed to humans to avoid this problem.
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The Bible isn’t intended to be a book of knowledge about everything in the universe.
This would work if the book didn't have a literal creation myth and explanation of everything in the universe
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The Bible makes specific truth claims about reality that contradict the truth claims of all other religions and worldviews.
Not even true. Nothing in the Bible is unique to the Bible and most stories/lessons that end up in the Bible had existed in other religions prior.
Now, you're going to engage in the circular logic that this isn't possible, b/c you will default to the text of the Bible as a defense to prove your comment true, so I'm already anticipating your response.
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You have yet to provide reasoning for this claim in our discussion.
I have. You just use circular logic and dishonest framing of the premise of the discussion itself to attack the reasoning.
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but you haven’t answered my question about what necessary Christian doctrines are overturned by the existence of aliens.
See, you show your personal framing issues with this comment/question, even when it's been explained to you multiple times.
This is the proverbial fruit of the illogical and dishonest rhetoric I explain above. You've framed your point from a circular logic (insisting completeness of a particular version of the Bible you specifically choose and ignoring everything else being discussed) which allows you to retreat to the comfort of that framing to avoid discussing what is being discussed.
You do this pretty much every time you engage in a discussion about Christianity, mind you. You have no plan B. This is all you do.
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