re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation

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Again, not saying I believe it, just that it is somewhat plausible and I'm open to additional evidence particularly when so many people have come out as whistleblowers saying similar things which are now being verified with some of these releases.

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I used to think that claims of people stumbling into vast underground tunnel systems were crazy because they almost always described the things as if the tunnel walls were smooth like glass. I thought, how could someone from thousands of years ago have created tunnels and underground living spaces in such a way that the walls were smooth like glass. Then I learned about shite were have officially found such as Derinkuyu in Turkey, which is an underground complex thousands of years old which could have housed thousands of people complete with sophisticated ventilation engineering and fresh water supply. And then the phenomena of vitrified stone found all over the world associated with the megalithic builder culture.

Derinkuyu: (it's like 18 stories deep and could have housed thousands indefinitely)





Barabar Caves, in India: (the geometry of this cave is literally perfect, where the walls meet the perfectly level floor at exactly 90° angles and the stone has been vitrified and shines with a mirror finish. Thousands of years old)

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Did somebody watch "Paradise"?

Awesome series. Thoroughly enjoyed both seasons. The very last episode opened up the whole "time does not exist" theory.

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I only caught a few episodes, is it worth finishing?

Was actually referring to the NZ and Hawaii builds where guys like Zuckerberg are spending insane money on underground fortresses located in inaccessible areas while less wealthy connected people buy underground bunkers out west.

Something is up or at least a lot of "smart" and "connected" people think it is.

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We are overdue for some kind of event. Asteroid. Pandemic. Some kind of mass event.

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While that's certainly possible and guaranteed over a long enough time horizon there's more to my concerns.

I think there's a very real chance that powerful people are attempting to bring on population reduction intentionally because post AI/robotics they don't think we're needed, that most Americans are too hard to control and they don't want to share the earth with the "uninitiated" or "useless eaters".

Transhumanists want and believe they can live together by fusing with technology. If you were a megalomaniac sociopath who thought they could live forever with infinite money and aspired to god like powers would you want to be surrounded for the next 1000 years with the average customer at Walmart? I don't think they do.

Either way, when the smart money starts doing things that seem "illogical" I get concerned that I don't have the full story or I'd be doing what they're doing.

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A CT!

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I mean I agree its a conspiracy but is it still even a theory? As you said, they're straight up telling us what they're doing. Just read Klaus Schwabs books or watch Bill Gates videos on youtube. My understanding is from their perspective if we dont tell them to stop its on us so they've checked that box.

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AI and robotics is still generations away from where they want it to be.

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Agreed, but who knows how fast that stuff ramps up once AI starts to iterate through tech advances?

They straight up tell us they want to reduce reproductive rates in the west by various means (climate change fears, abortion, birth control, making kids expensive, convincing women to spend their birth years working and exposure to chemicals which reduce fertility rates) while feeding us garbage food (additives, processed oils instead of butter, more processed carbs and sugar less meat, etc) and slow rolling access to advanced medical care (nationalized medicine).

Meanwhile you open the borders for the first world to the third world so as the obnoxious middle class people with their unending demands for democracy and freedoms die off they're replaced with controllable third world people who will do what they're told and clean the toilets happily until the robots can replace them and they can be gone as well.

Then you've got Gates with his food additives and vaccine programs to speed things up because he's an impatient guy and things can get rolling quickly.

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They still need the consumer to keep them fed and wealthy.

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Our money is made up. They already have enough of whatever you want to count to buy the land and commodities they need and the factories to produce more can be automated. What do we provide them if not menial labor?

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The historical apostle Paul never wrote that he had seen the Lord Jesus more than once, only that he had seen him… just like he wrote of the other apostles such as James and Peter - Jesus appeared to them in a vision and that’s how they knew of them.

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I'm not going to rehash this false argument again. Paul claimed he received specific teachings from Jesus, not just saw him in a vision once. The book of Acts recounts Paul's vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus, but it doesn't say that Paul was given any particular teaching from Jesus at that time, even though Paul, in his own writings, says that he received from Jesus things like the Eucharist.

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I never said there wasn’t. Only that there are more parallels or references to 1 Enoch in the New Testament than there is to any other Old Testament book. There are a lot of Genesis, Isaiah, Deuteronomy, and Ezekiel references too. Even some Zephaniah, Haggai, Habakkuk, and Malachi, and more. But there are more 1 Enoch parallels than all of them, but not all the other combined. Do you understand what I’m saying?

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I understand that you are assuming that every supernatural statement mentioned in the NT assumes an Enochean framework, and therefore you are claiming 1 Enoch is referenced more than any other writing. That's quite a leap, since you are assuming something that is being argued (about the influence of Enoch).

If you took direct references and quotations from Enoch, at best you would have about a dozen to two dozen instances in the NT. There are hundreds upon hundreds of references and quotations from other OT books. Your standard for "influence" is what I'm arguing against.

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No, you just don’t understand because you don’t want to acknowledge reality.

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No, you just aren't saying anything factually true. I can give you hundreds of direct quotations or specific and direct references to Isaiah and the Psalms, but you have to stretch to provide more than a few direct references (or one possible quotation) for 1 Enoch.

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Have you moved the goal posts? Do you finally admit the gospels aren’t eyewitness accounts? You seem to be accepting they are at least secondhand storytelling. That’s a step in the right direction.

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No. I'm saying that some are eye-witnesses (Matthew and John) and some are taken from eye-witnesses (Mark and Luke), and all are inspired by God. That wasn't the point of my statement, though. The point was that they are historical narratives relaying what was witnessed by themselves or others, not fables that were not grounded in history.

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You have no credibility because you don’t know what is contained within 1 Enoch and you don’t know the history so when you are reading the NT you don’t catch the references and allusions.

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Thank you for admitting that you're comparing apples to oranges. I'm talking about direct quotations and references to "the prophet" (for instance), while you are assuming anything that 1 Enoch mentions is the context for everything written in the NT, so that you can claim just about everything in the NT as support for your position. You must assume your position in order to count evidence in your favor, while I don't.

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Damn you really hate God’s first prophet to be translated into a spirit being and taken to heaven.

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I'm talking to the biblical data, itself. You are making illogical leaps to support your position.

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There is no indication that any early Jewish community universally thought that the prophets wrote the prophetic material. The Samaritans rejected all the prophetic material and so did the Sadducees.

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The Samaritans weren't "Jews", but were "half breeds", which is why they didn't like the Jews and the Jews didn't like them. It was also why it was so controversial for Jesus to interact with them as He did. The Samaritans didn't worship in Jerusalem, either. They are not the standard for the Jews. Neither were the Sadducees, who recognized that Moses wrote the Torah but didn't accept anything beyond that. Jesus' teaching was in alignment with the Pharisees, not the Samaritans or Sadducees.

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There’s no indication that any early Christian community universally thought that the historical Paul wrote Colossians, Ephesians, Titus, Timothy, and 2 Thessalonians. And many didn’t think the “real” author wrote 1/2 Peter, 1/2/3 John, Jude, James, and revelation. Many Christians thought those letters where bullshite pseudepigrapha.

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Also not true, at least for most of Paul's writings. But my point was that there was never broad Christian acceptance of 1 Enoch as Scripture, not even early on. There were disputations about some of the NT writings for various reasons but they were eventually universally accepted. 1 Enoch mostly fell off the face of the earth outside of Ethiopia. Given how big apostolic tradition was, it's unlikely that a book would have had universal (or mostly universal) recognition and acceptance and then disappear into obscurity. Aside from Tertullian thinking it was Scripture, no others gave such assent, and it was left out of all the early church canon lists.

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Well if some dude with sand up his arse who killed and burned goats for a living wrote it, it must be true!

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It's another piece of evidence against your position.

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I’m pretty sure you only know of the calendar dispute because of my posts on here

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Don't flatter yourself.

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You aren’t going to like this, but the truth is the majority of the Bible was only a few hundred years old. In the correspondence between the temple in Elephantine Egypt and the Jerusalem temple priests in the 4th century , there is no knowledge of the Torah or any books of the Bible or the prohibition of more than one temple or even the prohibition of worshipping other gods. The Jerusalem temple was fine to pay for the rebuilding of the temple in Egypt and they worshipped other gods including Anat at that temple.

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This is something that we'll have to discuss separately, as you keep bringing up other issues to distract from how wrong you are about another topic.

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Quote the passage in Genesis 2-3 talking about angels not getting married

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I wish you were more familiar with the Bible. These discussions would be a lot shorter.

Genesis 2-3 is speaking about God creating the institution of marriage for man and woman. Jesus was speaking to how what God instituted in those chapters will not be necessary any longer in Heaven. He wasn't commenting about Genesis 6 at all.

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No dummy, I told you I’m talking about 1 Enoch. Genesis 6 doesn’t mention the punishment of the angels or that raping the human women and making a race of giants was even evil. It’s only explained in the Enochic literature. When Jesus tells the Sadducees they don’t know the scripture, he means just that. The Sadducees didn’t know 1 Enoch. They didn’t keep it as scripture. That scripture 1 Enoch would answer their question. In the resurrection the newly reborn spiritual bodied humans would be like the angels in heaven, not taking wives, as opposed to the angels who went to earth who did take wives and got into trouble for it.

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I'll say it again: Jesus wasn't talking about that at all. He was talking about the current state of angels and how, in the resurrection, we will not have wives, either. Jesus was not referring to Genesis 6 (which is the context that you're alluding to in regard to 1 Enoch), but to Genesis 2-3, as I said. Everything else said is merely your assertion and doesn't follow from the texts you quoted.

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That’s a stretched out mental gymnastics pretzel even for you dude.

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I'm giving you an interpretation based on what the text says. You're providing an interpretation based on what the text doesn't say.

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FooManChoo

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I'm giving you an interpretation based on what the text says. You're providing an interpretation based on what the text doesn't say.

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Attempted projection of your faults onto others. Pathetic .

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Serious note, kinda looks like we agree on this even though I may not take it as seriously as I should.

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End of the day we're just people on the internet speculating hopefully with a faith in Jesus and the resurrection leading to a better life in heaven. Im not living in fear by any means, just trying to think whats actually going on, what we'd even do about it and seeing these scientists up in Huntsville, AL and out west dropping dead like flies.

Its just shocking how many people hear stuff this week like "Hey did you see the government released UFO tapes this week? Apparently its real?" and they just shrug and go back to instagram and their drama shows.

Feels like during covid when I started asking people questions about what they thought was going on and they'd look at me like I'm insane. I mean, entirely possible I guess, but why get so mad for asking basic questions or asking them their opinion? Maybe most people just arent wired to dig into these existential issues and just want to be told what to think?

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It believes that they will have used tools with a special alloy we are unfamiliar with combined with an acoustic ultrasound type technology that will have rendered stones like granite into butter and this is why these same tool marks are found all over the planet.

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Never have I heard of using sound. Interesting. Will have to do some reading.

But how did they have this alloy when they didn't yet have steel? Are you tying this in with the topic of visitors from other places?

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The Triune Godhead manifest as: 1. God, The Father. The Universal Energy Reservoir being absolute 'Awareness'. Pure Spirit. 2. God, The Son. Awareness would, by default, becomes a 'Self'; as such becomes aware of Its existence. I.e., "I Am, the I Am". A derivative of God the Father, and therein subordinate, but truthfully being "one with the Father" nonetheless. As the Biblical Jesus Christ rightly described Himself.

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So considering this “Jesus” quotation:

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I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.

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Human believers become part of the godhead, if you apply consistent logic.

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I'm still kinda anticipating that we get our own The Day the Earth Stood Still moment.

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Windmills and solar will give us that