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Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:36 pm to Korkstand
I don’t think you understand how statistics work. He was just trying to normalize it. Are you upset how it is worded?
I also don’t think it is fair to attach any of it to race in the discussion.
All of this violence can be tied back to social group behaviors, economics, and education.
I also don’t think it is fair to attach any of it to race in the discussion.
All of this violence can be tied back to social group behaviors, economics, and education.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:37 pm to Korkstand
You can focus on the multiplier inaccuracy if you want, but the actual numbers are pretty eye-opening. Comment on that.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:42 pm to the808bass
quote:What type of statistic are you talking about?
i understand that every liberal talking about police brutality does exactly that.
It depends on what data is included, and also on the meaning of the data to determine how to make the adjustment.
In the case of interracial crime, we are excluding a lot of data (same-race crime), so there is no need to "adjust" the numbers in this way. The data is already adjusted by black/white ratio by virtue of using only the interracial data.
Again, this goes to show how easy it is to manipulate people with statistics.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:48 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:
I don’t think you understand how statistics work.
quote:That is not how you normalize this data.
He was just trying to normalize it.
quote:No, I'm "upset" that it is plainly a lie. A manipulation.
Are you upset how it is worded?
Another example for those who still don't understand. Let's throw the ratio way out of whack and make it 1000 white people and 1 black person. 1 of the white people attacks the black person, and the lone black person attacks 1 white person. How should we "adjust" these statistics? Should we take the 1 and 1, and multiply the black person's 1 by 1000 to adjust for population ratio? The black guy is 1000X times more likely to attack a white person than a white person is to attack a black person! No shite, there's only 1 of him.
Does it make sense yet, or should I try again?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:49 pm to Korkstand
quote:
The part where 9X is "adjusted" for population up to 45X is a prime example of how easy it is to manipulate people with statistics. Multiplying the 9X by 5 (the difference in population) is meaningless. It just reflects the fact that the majority is more likely to be attacked at random by virtue of just being the majority. As a simple example, take a population of 100, 83 white and 17 black (same ratio as 61% to 12.5%). If everyone is a criminal and everyone else is attacked at random, we will end up with the 83 whites attacking 14 blacks and 69 whites, and the 17 blacks attacking 14 whites and 3 blacks. It's 14 both ways all else equal. In this case, would you inflate the minority population's numbers by 5X given that everyone is a criminal and all attacks are random?
This was your takeaway from all of the evidence and data provided?
Dumbass
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:51 pm to Korkstand
So korkstand, if a statistician wants to measure if whites are more likely to kill blacks than blacks are to kill whites, or vice versa, how should he/she go about doing it?
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:52 pm to Caplewood
Can you provide direct links to the graphs or data?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:56 pm to BoomBoomBoom
The data is cited within the graphic.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:02 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Korkstand
The lengths of dishonesty and absurd mental gymnastics you progressives will go to in order to maintain your political narrative is nothing short of amazing.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:02 pm to Korkstand
quote:
The part where 9X is "adjusted" for population up to 45X is a prime example of how easy it is to manipulate people with statistics. Multiplying the 9X by 5 (the difference in population) is meaningless. It just reflects the fact that the majority is more likely to be attacked at random by virtue of just being the majority.
As a simple example, take a population of 100, 83 white and 17 black (same ratio as 61% to 12.5%). If everyone is a criminal and everyone else is attacked at random, we will end up with the 83 whites attacking 14 blacks and 69 whites, and the 17 blacks attacking 14 whites and 3 blacks. It's 14 both ways all else equal. In this case, would you inflate the minority population's numbers by 5X given that everyone is a criminal and all attacks are random?
This is like watching the winning floor routine of mental gymnastics.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:04 pm to Korkstand
I don’t agree with assigning it to race. I don’t believe people are significantly killing people over race.
I don’t follow your disagreement with the standard normalization. If you throw out his argument I think you throw the argument he debating.
I don’t follow your disagreement with the standard normalization. If you throw out his argument I think you throw the argument he debating.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:05 pm to Sid E Walker
quote:I typically do focus on correcting lies and manipulation.
You can focus on the multiplier inaccuracy if you want
quote:The actual numbers are concerning, I agree. There are clearly some cultural/racial/class/whatever you want to call it problems that we need to solve. But we should NOT try to solve them by blowing them way out of proportion to try to scare people. As another example of data manipulation, just as important as the data provided is the data that was left out. The rest of the data says that a random white person is about twice as likely to be attacked by another white person than by a black person.
but the actual numbers are pretty eye-opening. Comment on that.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:06 pm to Korkstand
quote:
What type of statistic are you talking about?
Lol
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:06 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:My takeaway is that people are being manipulated and believing it. It does nothing whatsoever to address the problem other than blow it way out of proportion and make people angry. It is counterproductive.
This was your takeaway from all of the evidence and data provided?
Dumbass
Dumbass.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:10 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:I am literally here correcting the dishonesty and mental gymnastics on the part of others.
The lengths of dishonesty and absurd mental gymnastics you progressives will go to in order to maintain your political narrative is nothing short of amazing.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:12 pm to Korkstand
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It does nothing whatsoever to address the problem
It proves your entire narrative about “the problem” is bullshite.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:12 pm to Korkstand
quote:
I am literally here correcting the dishonesty and mental gymnastics on the part of others.
What’s most hilarious about your post is I think you probably have fooled yourself in to thinking this is what you’re really doing.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:13 pm to Korkstand
quote:
It does nothing whatsoever to address the problem other than blow it way out of proportion and make people angry.
I think we can find some common ground on stats here.
(Not really.)
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:15 pm to Korkstand
cope pussy
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