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re: Rand will vote to BLOCK Trump ED on border funding.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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And it's a unilateral action by a sitting president.
Listen, Trumps just not an effective leader. Leaders build coalitions, compromise a bit to get what they want.
Trump tried to compromise. He offered twice the DACA recipients the Democrats wanted protected under Obama's EO.
The Democrats refused to compromise, because they want the border open.
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Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:39 pm to udtiger
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You do understand that the National Emergency Act does not authorize the President to violate the Constitution.
Which is why Trumps emergency declaration probably will not stand.
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"We have a separation of powers under the Constitution. The legislative branch, Congress handles legislative powers. And this is something that we have had going through Congress for the past several years," Amash told Tapper. "There's been discussions about border wall or fencing. We've passed appropriations bills. The president has signed the bills. He hasn't vetoed the bills. If he wanted to say that there was a crisis, he could have vetoed the legislation. He's never vetoed appropriations."
"I think the president is violating our constitutional system. And I don't think Congress can grant legislative powers to the president by statute. You can't just pass a statute that says the president now has appropriations power and bypass Congress," he added
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:40 pm to bamarep
I like Rand, but he can be such a cucklord.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Good God man, the last two years has been disrespect, resistance at all levels, coup like undermining of the administration and you blame all that on the president because he is not a leader. The left is trying to tear down our country and you want to lay it on our president. Trump cannot build coalitions with unwilling and deceitful cohorts around him.
The press demeans everything Trump does or says. The political rhetoric thrown out daily by our national media is disgraceful but not enough people reject it. This is not some political football we are discussing. It is our national security which is a constant meme for all things not told to us by the DOJ. When it comes to showing how corrupt the left is they point to national security.
Now we need to deal with actual national security they refute all information and contest all things needed to fulfill that obligation. How about those people in the resistance show some compassion for our nation and stop with their unseemly TDS
The press demeans everything Trump does or says. The political rhetoric thrown out daily by our national media is disgraceful but not enough people reject it. This is not some political football we are discussing. It is our national security which is a constant meme for all things not told to us by the DOJ. When it comes to showing how corrupt the left is they point to national security.
Now we need to deal with actual national security they refute all information and contest all things needed to fulfill that obligation. How about those people in the resistance show some compassion for our nation and stop with their unseemly TDS
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:42 pm to themunch
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Not for this we do not. It is too important to leave a bumbling Congress to do this.
Not to mention that pesky little fact that Congress already authorized funding for border security, including a MOTHER frickING WALL.
Now the entire argument is over the difference between $2 billion and $5 billion. The argument is not over the ethics of an Emergency Declaration. (Because they already approved the very thing the ED is about)
They really are that fricking stupid.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:42 pm to Hogs78
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"We have a separation of powers under the Constitution. The legislative branch, Congress handles legislative powers. And this is something that we have had going through Congress for the past several years," Amash told Tapper. "There's been discussions about border wall or fencing. We've passed appropriations bills. The president has signed the bills. He hasn't vetoed the bills. If he wanted to say that there was a crisis, he could have vetoed the legislation. He's never vetoed appropriations."
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"I think the president is violating our constitutional system. And I don't think Congress can grant legislative powers to the president by statute. You can't just pass a statute that says the president now has appropriations power and bypass Congress," he added
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Rand understands way more than the President.
No. Your blind hatred for Trump blinds you. I was a Rand fan, and as a fellow physician, I had high hopes for him. He doesn't get the big picture. And it's obvious to me that Rand is all about Rand. Unless this is a ploy to give Trump an out for veto'ing the budget agreement that really wasn't that great. He shows he was willing to negotiate. He agreed to the deal. Pelosi and Schumer declare victory and celebrate their greatness. Trump end arounds them with ED (and uses 2 more from Obama-bringing attention to the hypocrisy). Rand blocks ED. Trump veto's budget because he'll need more wall funding. Back to the drawing board. He'll get his wall. Our wall.
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:43 pm to upgrayedd
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This will set a precedent that will bite the right in the arse. Guaranteed.
This is the worst argument ever. You actually think not doing g that will keep the dems from doing something,
History... learn it.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Which is why Trumps emergency declaration probably will not stand.
How has he violated the Constitution with this? Arizona v. US says immigration policy and enforcement is fedgov. SCOTUS has also recognized Trump's (the President's) very broad authority as to immigration.
Plus, he's using Obama's EDs to do it.
I'd say he's got a better than 70% chance.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:44 pm to SmackoverHawg
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You're blind hatred for Trump blinds you.
I don't hate Trump.
He's literally pissed away every chance he's had to build support and get this done in the past.
He's a mixed bag as president, but a failure as leader.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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And it's a unilateral action by a sitting president.
Good lord. No it's not...
Second.... its power that is his to do.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:49 pm to Dale51
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Lame.
I'm sorry to hear that facts are now lame to the "conservatives" on this board. I thought that was the province of liberals
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:50 pm to bamarep
quote:Actually I can understand the "no" vote. The National Emergency Act ceded significant Legislative power to the Executive. Congress suddenly finds itself relegated to status as the weakest branch by its own hand.
Rand will vote to BLOCK Trump ED on border funding.
Trump, by virtue of the NEA, has every right to do what he's done.
Proper action for Rand and likeminded legislators would be to pass legislation undoing the NEA.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He's literally pissed away every chance he's had to build support and get this done in the past. He's a mixed bag as president, but a failure as leader.
Can't lead those that refuse to follow or are paid not to. McCain, Ryan, Collins, Murkowski etc. Gotta purge and replace. No sense in wasting time on lost causes. Plus, it's being built. You may not like his approach or tactics, but they're working. I wouldn't be surprise to see the Dem's begging for a wall here before too long. He's mindfricked them enough to run Amazon out of New York.
I think he's playing the long game. I have no definitive proof, but from what I've seen so far, there's a method to his madness.Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:53 pm to upgrayedd
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This will set a precedent that will bite the right in the arse.
Why do you think EDs are new? Obama used it about 11 times, and Clinton about 15.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:54 pm to Jjdoc
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Good lord. No it's not...
Why did he have to declare a national emergency?
Where's the money coming from?
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:56 pm to Hogs78
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Thats why he'll go down as a top 5 loved presidents in our country's history. Damn boy you're sure melty today.
Stand with conservative values, get called melty..
You folks have morphed out of an ideology.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why did he have to declare a national emergency?
Ahhh...he didn't HAVE to. He could have just used the ones Obama put in place that are still in effect. But by him declaring one, it got the left and the media all worked up about how is was unconstitutional, sets bad precedence etc. Then blam!!! Once everyone is looking, he drops the old Obama ED's.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You folks have morphed out of an ideology.
They have created a cult of personality around Trump that easily rivals the one liberals created around Obama. It's fricking depressing.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:59 pm to Joshjrn
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So not a bootlicker.
I may frequently disagree with him, but he's one of the few principled individuals left in the US legislature.
there can be no doubt about that. come on poli board, i get it. we need trump to keep kicking arse, but please understand that if you lose your principles you turn into the democrats' win at all costs mentality.
those costs are great. i don't mind rand believing in our system and being one that means what he says.
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